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froody1911:
Actually Saber always has to start out like that, even in the original F/SN. This is because various traumatic events towards the end of her actual life (as shown in the VN) made her severely doubt her own decisions, her ideals, and her way of life.
Kiritsugu couldn't have given less of a fuck about her personal issues, and so she decides to just focus on winning the war.
What Shirou did, on the other hand, is not humiliate her but give her space to think about some of those issues. He manages to drive in the point that her perception that rulers need to have an aloof and solitary life is ridiculous (which it is).
Sure Shirou's whole chivalry thing is way too overbearing, but that isn't what Saber is drawn to. In fact she repeatedly denies his help throughout each story arc. She's drawn to being treated like an actual person and friend. That's a treatment she never got during her lifetime.
People seem to forget that at the end of it all she's a 16 year old girl who never had any friends. If at the end of it all she decides that she wants to try living like a normal person, is it really that hard to believe? It doesn't mean she's stopped being a proud warrior, just that she's changed her stubborn attribute towards really getting to know people, something she earlier considered a luxury meant for commoners.
Shirou is a pretty reasonable and sensitive guy overall. But once again, yeah, his "chivalry" is fucking annoying.
What a big ass post. Why do I do this shit?
Mimishiki19:
It really doesn't matter if the VN was this or that or that series had another piece of information. Stop bringing it. It doesn't count.
Who was Shiro to tell her what is wrong and what is right? A nobody. Also male meaning he had every right to dictate her life, her choices, her thoughts. A penis with less personality than an actual penis.
A 16 year old girl who was also a KING. A ruler of a country that become more of a tool for Shiro than she ever was Kiritsugu. At least he respected her.
Shiro did not. Her desires were invalid and replaced with the right ones, Shiro's.She was never treated like an actual person. She was treated like a girl and in this context it is less than an actual person.
Her entire existence became about him. Pleasing him. I think I was 16-18 when I first saw Fate and it still made me sick watching it unfold.
If you insist on bringing up the VN, I'll remind you that her character's slaughter is even more pronounced. At least the part I could play. I couldn't finish it.
Mistgun_Zero:
A girl who became a king just because she drew the sword from the stone and nothing else. It's no different than putting a young 16 year old street boy/girl as CEO/president of a company/country.
froody1911:
--- Quote from: Mimishiki19 on June 06, 2014, 12:53:11 PM ---It really doesn't matter if the VN was this or that or that series had another piece of information. Stop bringing it. It doesn't count.
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Wut? But this is the thread for the entire franchise, including the VN. Plus Fate/Zero is not a prequel to the existing F/SN anime but to the upcoming reboot.
--- Quote from: Mimishiki19 on June 06, 2014, 12:53:11 PM ---Who was Shiro to tell her what is wrong and what is right? A nobody. Also male meaning he had every right to dictate her life, her choices, her thoughts. A penis with less personality than an actual penis.
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He didn't though. She decided herself.
--- Quote from: Mimishiki19 on June 06, 2014, 12:53:11 PM ---Shiro did not. Her desires were invalid and replaced with the right ones, Shiro's.She was never treated like an actual person. She was treated like a girl and in this context it is less than an actual person.
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Could you possibly provide examples of this, because I don't remember it happening at all.
--- Quote from: Mimishiki19 on June 06, 2014, 12:53:11 PM ---Her entire existence became about him. Pleasing him.
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1. That's the point of every Servant's existence in the War. It's also something that sickens Shirou. Naive as it might be, he wants Servants to be able to live as people in their own right...
2. which is why he actually wants her to not do this and make her own decisions.
Mimishiki19:
I've said my piece.Won't argue details.
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