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LiquidZero:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on June 28, 2009, 04:14:31 AM ---Ah, the chaff countermeasures. They fire strips of aluminum contained in a canister to throw off radar homing missiles by scattering radar signals everywhere. They don't necessarily attract missiles to them though, (those are flare countermeasures, used to counter IR homing missiles) and they won't work on surface-to-surface missiles; most North Korean missiles are unguided modified Scud rockets with pre-calculated trajectory and just called 'missiles' for novelty reasons.
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how did you learn that. i just wikied it. and if N.Korea still fired em' we could still shoot them out of the sky. since they'd have to cross an ocean we could blow them up over the water so as not to harm anyone. Plus i dont think they'd be all that accurate. More range = Less accuracy.
Edit: N. Korea doesn't have any ICBMS any way.
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: LiquidZero on June 28, 2009, 03:48:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: darkjedi on June 28, 2009, 03:36:24 AM ---^^
Thought so. ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?
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99.999% of their missiles don't come from silos. And what are chaff bombs?
And yeah Kuro Kami's written by a Korean team but the studio is Japanese.
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chaff bombs? idk, but i know airforce jets and such can fire chaff* (i think its called chaff) when an enemy missle has them locked on and it explodes when the missle touches the chaff. and where ever there missiles fire from we already know, they could fire right out from under his ass and we would drop some chaff right in there!
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1044267/potentially-explosive-phone
it says something about what chaff does properly
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The blatant wrongness of your post would leave the CTTs chuckling for a week.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on June 28, 2009, 03:36:24 AM ---^^
Thought so. ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?
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No, but the Harriers who can take off and land on the Wasps (amphib ships) do. Just because Proin forgot to mention that, doesn't mean it doesn't have that capability.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: LiquidZero on June 28, 2009, 04:20:20 AM ---and if N.Korea still fired em' we could still shoot them out of the sky. since they'd have to cross an ocean we could blow them up over the water so as not to harm anyone.
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Yeah, we can, but not all. North Korea still has more missiles than U.S. has ABM and U.S. Navy's point defense systems have a maximum range of 10 miles or so; they use guns, you see, either a Gatling or an ultra-high-power shotgun. And they usually don't begin firing until the missiles are nearly at point-blank range to maximize barrel life span, so chances are low that the point defense systems will intercept the missiles unless they were flying directly towards them. We still don't have a potent defense against the normal artillery shells, however, (the only anti-shell point defense system is deployed in Israel only as of now) and South Korean analysts think it will be the forward artillery of North Korea that will deal most damage to South's defense because of that. 11,000 guns pointed at your head, and you can't stop them. :P
--- Quote from: LiquidZero on June 28, 2009, 04:20:20 AM ---Plus i dont think they'd be all that accurate. More range = Less accuracy.
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North Koreans don't need accurate missiles. Seoul is plenty wide; they only need to fire in the general direction with the rocket fuse set to stop at around 30-200 miles outbound, depending on where the missiles' launchers were located.
--- Quote from: LiquidZero on June 28, 2009, 04:20:20 AM ---Edit: N. Korea doesn't have any ICBMS any way.
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They do, and it's named Taepodong-2. Their first test technically failed last April because the missile's third stage shorted out but the Iranians are helping them fix that. They've been showing a lot of improvement in the past few years.
And I still don't know if U.S. Navy helicopters come with CM packs. :-\ (looks at Proin longingly) I typed 'U.S. Navy helicopter countermeasure' in Google but the search results don't look very helpful.
Lol I know Harriers have flares but I want to know if the helicopters do too.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on June 28, 2009, 07:25:09 AM ---And I still don't know if U.S. Navy helicopters come with CM packs. :-\ (looks at Proin longingly) I typed 'U.S. Navy helicopter countermeasure' in Google but the search results don't look very helpful.
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Obviously you have to be a military freak like me in order to easily find info like that. :P Personally I used about 15 seconds to find following info:
Super Cobra
--- Quote ---The H1 Super Cobra upgrade includes provision of a new electronic warfare suite. A new radar warner, the AN/APR-39(XE2) from Lockheed Martin, replaces the Lockheed Martin AN/APR-39(V)2 pulse radar warner and the AEL Industries AN/APR-44 continuous-wave radar warner.
The ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system has been included in the upgrade suite. AN/AAR-47 uses infrared detectors to detect the missile plume. The Goodrich (formerly Raytheon) AN/AVR-2A laser warning receiver has also been added. The infrared countermeasures system is the AN/ALQ-144A developed by BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company).
The helicopter is also equipped with the AN/ALE-39 chaff and infrared flare dispenser manufactured by BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) and Lockheed Martin Tactical Defense Systems.
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Source: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/supcobra/
Apache:
--- Quote ---The Apache is equipped with an electronic warfare suite consisting of: AN/APR-39A(V) radar warning receiver from Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) and Lockheed Martin; Lockheed Martin AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer Electronic Support target acquisition system; AN/ALQ-144 infra-red countermeasures set from BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company); AN/AVR-2 laser warning receiver from Goodrich (formerly Hughes Danbury Optical Systems then Raytheon); AN/ALQ-136(V) radar jammer developed by ITT; and chaff dispensers.
US Army Longbow Apaches were to be fitted with the ITT AN/ALQ-211 SIRCM (suite of integrated radio frequency countermeasures) suite, however the availability of funding for this project is uncertain.
UK AH mk1 Apaches are fitted with BAE Systems helicopter integrated defensive aids suite (HIDAS), also chosen by Kuwait and Greece. HIDAS, which includes the Sky Guardian 2000 radar warning receiver, entered service on the AH mk1 in July 2003.
Israeli AH-64D helicopters are fitted with the Elisra Seraph self-protection system, including SPS-65 missile warner and SPJ-40 radar jammer.
Dutch AH-64D helicopters are being fitted with the Northrop Grumman directional infrared countermeasures (DIRCM) pod.
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Source: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/apache/
For ships you have the sister site: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/
Really good source when it comes to military hardware.
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