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Offline Proin Drakenzol

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #200 on: June 28, 2009, 03:21:58 AM »

And of course the amphibs could support the operation, we have combat doctrines based on just that.

What I mean is, can the Super Hornets take off from and land on the amphibious ships?



No. But helos and marines can be deployed from an amphib. Any assault would be a multi-axis assault.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #201 on: June 28, 2009, 03:31:06 AM »
it wouldn't. they could fire the missles but our satellites watching there country's missile silo's 24/7 would alert us and we would stealth drop chaff bombs so they would blow themselves right off the planet. ( sorry south korea, i enjoyed Kuro Kami and your fun games)


our government would tell us that they tried to attack us and it backfired.
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« Reply #202 on: June 28, 2009, 03:36:24 AM »
^^

Thought so.  ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?


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99.999% of their missiles don't come from silos. And what are chaff bombs?

And yeah Kuro Kami's written by a Korean team but the studio is Japanese.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #203 on: June 28, 2009, 03:48:36 AM »
^^

Thought so.  ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?


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99.999% of their missiles don't come from silos. And what are chaff bombs?

And yeah Kuro Kami's written by a Korean team but the studio is Japanese.

chaff bombs? idk, but i know airforce jets and such can fire chaff* (i think its called chaff) when an enemy missle has them locked on and it explodes when the missle touches the chaff.      and where ever there missiles fire from we already know, they could fire right out from under his ass and we would drop some chaff right in there!
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1044267/potentially-explosive-phone

it says something about what chaff does properly
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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #204 on: June 28, 2009, 04:14:31 AM »
Ah, the chaff countermeasures. They fire strips of aluminum contained in a canister to throw off radar homing missiles by scattering radar signals everywhere. They don't necessarily attract missiles to them though, (those are flare countermeasures, used to counter IR homing missiles) and they won't work on surface-to-surface missiles; most North Korean missiles are unguided modified Scud rockets with pre-calculated trajectory and just called 'missiles' for novelty reasons.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #205 on: June 28, 2009, 04:20:20 AM »
Ah, the chaff countermeasures. They fire strips of aluminum contained in a canister to throw off radar homing missiles by scattering radar signals everywhere. They don't necessarily attract missiles to them though, (those are flare countermeasures, used to counter IR homing missiles) and they won't work on surface-to-surface missiles; most North Korean missiles are unguided modified Scud rockets with pre-calculated trajectory and just called 'missiles' for novelty reasons.

how did you learn that. i just wikied it. and if N.Korea still fired em' we could still shoot them out of the sky. since they'd have to cross an ocean we could blow them up over the water so as not to harm anyone. Plus i dont think they'd be all that accurate. More range = Less accuracy.

Edit: N. Korea doesn't have any ICBMS any way.
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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #206 on: June 28, 2009, 04:40:59 AM »
^^

Thought so.  ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?


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99.999% of their missiles don't come from silos. And what are chaff bombs?

And yeah Kuro Kami's written by a Korean team but the studio is Japanese.

chaff bombs? idk, but i know airforce jets and such can fire chaff* (i think its called chaff) when an enemy missle has them locked on and it explodes when the missle touches the chaff.      and where ever there missiles fire from we already know, they could fire right out from under his ass and we would drop some chaff right in there!
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1044267/potentially-explosive-phone

it says something about what chaff does properly


The blatant wrongness of your post would leave the CTTs chuckling for a week.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #207 on: June 28, 2009, 06:56:42 AM »
^^

Thought so.  ;) Do the helis come with countermeasure packs?

No, but the Harriers who can take off and land on the Wasps (amphib ships) do. Just because Proin forgot to mention that, doesn't mean it doesn't have that capability.
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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #208 on: June 28, 2009, 07:25:09 AM »
and if N.Korea still fired em' we could still shoot them out of the sky. since they'd have to cross an ocean we could blow them up over the water so as not to harm anyone.

Yeah, we can, but not all. North Korea still has more missiles than U.S. has ABM and U.S. Navy's point defense systems have a maximum range of 10 miles or so; they use guns, you see, either a Gatling or an ultra-high-power shotgun. And they usually don't begin firing until the missiles are nearly at point-blank range to maximize barrel life span, so chances are low that the point defense systems will intercept the missiles unless they were flying directly towards them. We still don't have a potent defense against the normal artillery shells, however, (the only anti-shell point defense system is deployed in Israel only as of now) and South Korean analysts think it will be the forward artillery of North Korea that will deal most damage to South's defense because of that. 11,000 guns pointed at your head, and you can't stop them.  :P

Plus i dont think they'd be all that accurate. More range = Less accuracy.

North Koreans don't need accurate missiles. Seoul is plenty wide; they only need to fire in the general direction with the rocket fuse set to stop at around 30-200 miles outbound, depending on where the missiles' launchers were located.


Edit: N. Korea doesn't have any ICBMS any way.

They do, and it's named Taepodong-2. Their first test technically failed last April because the missile's third stage shorted out but the Iranians are helping them fix that. They've been showing a lot of improvement in the past few years.




And I still don't know if U.S. Navy helicopters come with CM packs.  :-\ (looks at Proin longingly) I typed 'U.S. Navy helicopter countermeasure' in Google but the search results don't look very helpful.

Lol I know Harriers have flares but I want to know if the helicopters do too.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2009, 08:57:17 AM »
And I still don't know if U.S. Navy helicopters come with CM packs.  :-\ (looks at Proin longingly) I typed 'U.S. Navy helicopter countermeasure' in Google but the search results don't look very helpful.

Obviously you have to be a military freak like me in order to easily find info like that.  :P Personally I used about 15 seconds to find following info:

Super Cobra
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The H1 Super Cobra upgrade includes provision of a new electronic warfare suite. A new radar warner, the AN/APR-39(XE2) from Lockheed Martin, replaces the Lockheed Martin AN/APR-39(V)2 pulse radar warner and the AEL Industries AN/APR-44 continuous-wave radar warner.

The ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system has been included in the upgrade suite. AN/AAR-47 uses infrared detectors to detect the missile plume. The Goodrich (formerly Raytheon) AN/AVR-2A laser warning receiver has also been added. The infrared countermeasures system is the AN/ALQ-144A developed by BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company).

The helicopter is also equipped with the AN/ALE-39 chaff and infrared flare dispenser manufactured by BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) and Lockheed Martin Tactical Defense Systems.
Source: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/supcobra/


Apache:
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The Apache is equipped with an electronic warfare suite consisting of: AN/APR-39A(V) radar warning receiver from Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) and Lockheed Martin; Lockheed Martin AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer Electronic Support target acquisition system; AN/ALQ-144 infra-red countermeasures set from BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company); AN/AVR-2 laser warning receiver from Goodrich (formerly Hughes Danbury Optical Systems then Raytheon); AN/ALQ-136(V) radar jammer developed by ITT; and chaff dispensers.

US Army Longbow Apaches were to be fitted with the ITT AN/ALQ-211 SIRCM (suite of integrated radio frequency countermeasures) suite, however the availability of funding for this project is uncertain.

UK AH mk1 Apaches are fitted with BAE Systems helicopter integrated defensive aids suite (HIDAS), also chosen by Kuwait and Greece. HIDAS, which includes the Sky Guardian 2000 radar warning receiver, entered service on the AH mk1 in July 2003.

Israeli AH-64D helicopters are fitted with the Elisra Seraph self-protection system, including SPS-65 missile warner and SPJ-40 radar jammer.

Dutch AH-64D helicopters are being fitted with the Northrop Grumman directional infrared countermeasures (DIRCM) pod.
Source: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/apache/

For ships you have the sister site: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/
Really good source when it comes to military hardware.
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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #210 on: July 06, 2009, 06:27:15 AM »
It would forever be known as the 15 minute war.

I would say probably a few days.
a war can't be fought in a matter of minutes, think of preperation, tactics and all of that other crap.
and than probably there might be some guerillia warfare.

(but considering the political stuff there can't be war i guess)

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #211 on: August 02, 2009, 06:11:13 AM »
Examining North Korea's military capabilitites

"America's top commanders on the Korean Peninsula has told its troops to prepare for Iraq- or Afghanistan-style warfare."

apparently the U.S. already ruled out nuclear first strike (from either side) as a plausible course of action.




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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #212 on: October 15, 2009, 09:29:38 AM »
NKorea warns SKorea incursions could spark clash

By KWANG-TAE KIM, Associated Press Writer Kwang-tae Kim, Associated Press Writer   – 30 mins ago sometime on Oct. 15

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea warned South Korea on Thursday that a rash of "reckless" incursions at their disputed maritime border could spark a naval clash.

North Korea's navy accused South Korean warships of routinely broaching its territory — 10 times on Monday alone — in the waters off the peninsula's west coast.

"The reckless military provocations by warships of the South Korean navy have created such a serious situation that a naval clash may break out between the two sides in these waters," the military said in a statement carried Thursday by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

The warning of a clash in the West Sea — site of deadly naval skirmishes in 1999 and 2002 — comes even as relations between the two Koreas show signs of improvement after more than a year of tensions.

On Wednesday, North Korea extended a rare apology to the South for releasing a massive amount of water from a dam near their border last month. Six South Koreans drowned in the flooding.

South Korea's top official for inter-Korean relations, meanwhile, indicated that Seoul is prepared to offer the North food aid without conditions as a humanitarian gesture — an apparent softening of the government's stance toward Pyongyang.

"We will provide limited humanitarian assistance to the most vulnerable groups in North Korea regardless of political and security circumstances," Unification Minister Hyun In-taek said in a speech to the European Union Chamber of Commerce in Korea.

"We will do our part to end the suffering of our brothers in the North," he said.

For a decade, South Korea was one of biggest donors to the impoverished North. But the flow of aid from Seoul stopped when President Lee Myung-bak took office last year, saying any help must be conditioned to denuclearization.

North Korea has faced chronic food shortages since flooding and mismanagement destroyed its economy in the mid-1990s. Famine is believed to have killed as many as 2 million people in the 1990s.

Hyun did not elaborate on a time frame or amount of possible aid to North Korea.

The two Koreas technically remain in a state of war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953. They are divided by a heavily fortified Demilitarized Zone.

North Korea, however, does not recognize the western maritime border drawn unilaterally by the United Nations, and routinely issues warnings to the South about incursions across the military line.

South Korea, meanwhile, wants to discuss the return of 560 soldiers who have been held by North Korea since the war and 504 civilians, mostly fishermen whose boats have been seized near the maritime border.

North Korea says the civilians voluntarily defected to the North and denies it has any South Korean prisoners of war.

South Korea also wants to stage more reunions of families divided by the war. On Friday, Red Cross officials are to meet in North Korea to discuss staging future reunions.


Ok, let's see how long it would take.

Republic of Korea Navy ships:

Sejong Dewang-class 10,000t Guided Missile Destroyer x 2

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Chungmugong Yishunshin-class 5,500t Helicopter Destroyer x 6

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Gwangeto Dewang-class 4,000t Helicopter Destroyer x 3

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Ulsan-class 2,400t Frigate x 10

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Pohang-class 1,400t Corvette x 23

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Dokdo-class 19,000t Helicopter Carrier x 1

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Son Wonyil-class 1,700t Type 214 Submarine x 2

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Jang Bogo-class 1,800t Type 209 Submarine x 9

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North Korean navy ships:

Najin-class 1,500t Frigate x 2

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Suhho-class 1,800t Frigate x 1

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Sariwon-class 500t Corvette x 4

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Tral-class 650t Corvette x 1

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Romeo-class 1,500t Type 031 Submarine x 22

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Talk about 'overkill'. lmao

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #213 on: October 15, 2009, 02:22:31 PM »
necro'd thread is necro'd


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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #214 on: October 15, 2009, 02:26:53 PM »
I don't think there's a difference if I make a new thread about this.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #215 on: October 15, 2009, 02:28:35 PM »
Don't mind vicious, he's racist against zombie threads. I for one though, am for equal rights. I even believe in zombie thread marriage.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #216 on: October 15, 2009, 04:11:28 PM »
I was just giving you a hard time :P


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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #217 on: October 16, 2009, 04:28:13 AM »
For the United States to wipe North Korea off the map if they dare have the balls to fire a missle at Hawaii on the 4th of July? For those of you that aren't American, it's our one and only real holiday aimed at celebrating the country, it's our Independance Day.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear
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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #218 on: October 16, 2009, 08:16:46 AM »
Oh, but Hawaii is an important strategic position for the U.S. East command, you know. Even Korea's own Navy use it as a base when they participate in the RIMPAC.

It wouldn't do good if it got wiped off the Earth.

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Re: How Long Would it Take?
« Reply #219 on: October 23, 2009, 01:39:15 AM »
You might find this interesting darkjedi.



Navy's newest warships top out at more than 50 mph.

BATH, Maine – The Navy's need for speed is being answered by a pair of warships that have reached freeway speeds during testing at sea.

Independence, a 418-foot warship built in Alabama, boasts a top speed in excess of 45 knots, or about 52 mph, and sustained 44 knots for four hours during builder trials that wrapped up this month off the Gulf Coast. The 378-foot Freedom, a ship built in Wisconsin by a competing defense contractor, has put up similar numbers.

Both versions of the Littoral Combat Ship use powerful diesel engines, as well as gas turbines for extra speed. They use steerable waterjets instead of propellers and rudders and have shallower drafts than conventional warships, letting them zoom close to shore.

The ships, better able to chase down pirates, have been fast-tracked because the Navy wants vessels that can operate in coastal, or littoral, waters. Freedom is due to be deployed next year, two years ahead of schedule.


More info here.