Author Topic: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help  (Read 3493 times)

Offline kostya

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2009, 01:22:35 AM »
Nah, real men use Gentoo and cat

Gentoo has a package manager, so obviously it's not manly enough.

Have you ever tried to configure Gentoo? They have a 7 volume manual on how to do a typical, bash-vim-ext3, home desktop installation. Getting X to work is an adventure all of its own.

Yes there is a package manager, but it enhances the experience. Why go the the site and get source that compiles when you can get it off portage and have a thriller of a joy ride praying to god that the package will not fail half way through the build.

Plus, how many other distros will let you install without support for a swap partition or IPC and not point out that it is very likely a bad idea?

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2009, 02:05:51 AM »
Great. Now that you've tried this Operating System, you might want to also learn the internals while you're at it.

But for me, I'm stuck with Windows because of the stupid inability of interop between Linux clients and my stinking Win2K3 Domain DCs running on my network. Oh man, taking the network apart at this point is going to be a hell of a pain in the ass to do.

Offline kostya

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2009, 12:16:45 AM »
What people need to learn is that Linux is not good enough to replace Windows by any means, but at the same time, there are definitely things that GNU OS is going to be better at. When I am coding Linux is clearly superior because the tools are made for coders by coders with no marketing people forcing features and deadlines. Also, when I am working on poor or questionable hardware, I will use Linux because a lot of the tools, especially the diagnostic ones, are written for minimal requirements.

When I am doing other things though, Linux is not yet caught up to Windows. As the original poster suggested, most games are made for Windows and will run better in Windows. Linux has yet to create an office suite on par with Microsoft Office for Windows. Open Office runs slower than Word on Windows and no Linux text editor is as fully featured, which is sad since Office 2007 has the worst, most unruly, and least usable GUI of any software I regularly use and it looks like it will only get worse. Finally, Linux has a very poor web browsing experience. There is no browser that is as good as Firefox for Windows. The Linux version of Firefox does not feel as polished and good. The GUI is very reminiscent of older versions. It also inexplicably shuts itself off (does not crash, just disappears). Also, Flash is a lot more resource intensive and seems to be single threaded (a flash ad in one tab will lag a music player in another).

What I am trying to say is that there are still some tasks for which Linux is not as good as Windows. Preaching Linux as the universal OS good for everything is a poor idea since new users will often try to do something that Linux is bad at and will judge the OS from it.

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2009, 12:56:01 AM »
Well I can agree with you it's not good enough to be the one universal OS, as many apps just simply bind the user so he must use Windows - as not all Linux alternatives are cut out do replace windows apps.

Games are the Linux OSes major fault - the low support for gaming is deflecting many users from even trying Linux, if anything could be done in this field Linux would gain much more support. I don't see your point about Open Office thoe, it takes a few seconds longer to open but it can be on pair with MS Office, and unlike the 2007 version (docx) it's universally compatible.

You are totally off on web browsing experience, Firefox is fully featured in the latest Linux distroes, and has all functions the Windows version does. Opera did seem a bit sluggish thoe, but even it works regardless. I did experience the shut off issue, but only while the beta was the only available version for Linux. In newer distroes that has been daleth with - so web browsing experience is even better, since your safer while using Linux rather then Windows. I won't comment on flash, because I really did notice it requires a bit more resources on Linux then Windows (but it's only noticeable on really slow machines)

But dual boot fixes all those issues, Linux is nice to have, but yes it certainly can't be the single OS that handles everything....
At least not yet...

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 03:07:18 AM »
I agree with the dual boot aspect. It's just the way to go for max effect.
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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2009, 02:40:56 AM »
Games are the Linux OSes major fault - the low support for gaming is deflecting many users from even trying Linux, if anything could be done in this field Linux would gain much more support.

I've always dreamed about making a UNIX only game that would kick enough ass to make tons of people wanna use *nix. Though I know I don't have the current talent or resources to do such a thing... :'( I'm not the naive type that thinks he can make a kick ass mmorpg in one month(or even a few years) all by him self...

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2009, 11:36:09 AM »
Games are the Linux OSes major fault - the low support for gaming is deflecting many users from even trying Linux, if anything could be done in this field Linux would gain much more support.

I've always dreamed about making a UNIX only game that would kick enough ass to make tons of people wanna use *nix. Though I know I don't have the current talent or resources to do such a thing... :'( I'm not the naive type that thinks he can make a kick ass mmorpg in one month(or even a few years) all by him self...

I've had similar dreams... my head has been swimming in all kinds of ideas for an MMO for years now. I wish I had a ton of money and a team of programmers to make it real >_<

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2009, 01:44:26 PM »
I've had similar dreams... my head has been swimming in all kinds of ideas for an MMO for years now. I wish I had a ton of money and a team of programmers to make it real >_<

If only right? It would help to realize 2 of my biggest dreams: 1) help slay MS, 2) build some really cool software for the community

I guess I just have to hurry up and become the millionaire I was always meant to be  :D

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2009, 07:04:22 PM »
Apparently I was right to avoid all MMORPG's. My mind is still sane.
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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2009, 09:34:21 AM »
Consoles helped wean me away from windows. I hated using software that I didn't want to only because I was bound to it for playing video games, but since it seemed like the only thing being actively pushed for a pc that you couldn't get on a console that would run it better for cheaper was nothing but those korean mmos. Plus I can't stand windows T_T

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2009, 02:38:01 PM »
My Laptop is Dual boot with Ubuntu 9.04 and Windows 7 RC 7100. I can access the windows partition from Ubuntu but I can't access the ext3 ubuntu partition from Windows. The windows boot detects the partition but does not recognized the type of partition. Does anyone knows how to be able to access the ext3 partition from windows boot? 

Offline Duki3003

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2009, 03:21:48 PM »
http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
Should work for Ext3 as well

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Re: Trying Linux for the First Time, and Need a Little Help
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 10:53:49 PM »
Thanks for the tip. I got the application and installed it on Windows 7. I encountered another problem where I receive an error message like: "Drive is unformatted, Do you wish to format it now?". I diagnosed the partition using the mountdiag.exe application which was mentioned at the troubleshoot section of the site. It seems that I need to back up the system and reformat the entire partition and set the inode size equal to 128 bytes. The current inode size in my linux partition is 256 bytes