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2009 Best Phone
halfelite:
--- Quote from: iindigo on July 06, 2009, 05:50:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: mgz on July 06, 2009, 05:38:21 PM ---and your standard video card ... o wait nvm. Standard soundcards ... o wait nvm
And no its not an exageration. You can get what a nvidia gx120 on a 6000$ computer ?
upgrading nearly anything except HD or memory = buy a new mac
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On Mac Pro's you can plug in about any standard sound card, ram, HDs, or processors (provided they're the right socket). Graphics cards obviously not, but that's mostly due to the fact that Macs use EFI instead of the incredibly old BIOS. The main problem that you would run into with sound cards is that Apple abandoned vanilla PCI a couple years ago, so your selection is limited to PCI-Express cards.
--- Quote from: mgz on July 06, 2009, 05:38:21 PM ---And saying that customers dont need cutting edge, you mean like 3g technology that was in about half of ATT phones in their lineup when the original iphone was released that makes many peoples signals go from crap to amazing.
The ability to make my own ringtones for my phone without the burden of downloading apps or jailbreaking my phone
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The way I see the feature delay on iPhones is this: Apple started with their desktop OS (OS X) and had to transform it into that of a phone. It's not too far off from writing an entirely new phone OS. They didn't have anything else to base it on. As a result, it took a while to reach feature parity with phones that had been in existence before.
I will admit that the ringtone bit is a kinda silly.
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Even if they did build it from scratch. They could have pushed for everything in in the first release. They did not even have a 3g chipset in the first so it wasnt not an os limitation. It was all good business on their part if you ask me. And it has worked so far. I use a macbook and dont knock it at all. But i sometimes agree there new and improved laptops are just a little bit over the last model. Usually just enough to make you want it.
fohfoh:
--- Quote from: halfelite on July 06, 2009, 11:19:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: iindigo on July 06, 2009, 05:50:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: mgz on July 06, 2009, 05:38:21 PM ---and your standard video card ... o wait nvm. Standard soundcards ... o wait nvm
And no its not an exageration. You can get what a nvidia gx120 on a 6000$ computer ?
upgrading nearly anything except HD or memory = buy a new mac
--- End quote ---
On Mac Pro's you can plug in about any standard sound card, ram, HDs, or processors (provided they're the right socket). Graphics cards obviously not, but that's mostly due to the fact that Macs use EFI instead of the incredibly old BIOS. The main problem that you would run into with sound cards is that Apple abandoned vanilla PCI a couple years ago, so your selection is limited to PCI-Express cards.
--- Quote from: mgz on July 06, 2009, 05:38:21 PM ---And saying that customers dont need cutting edge, you mean like 3g technology that was in about half of ATT phones in their lineup when the original iphone was released that makes many peoples signals go from crap to amazing.
The ability to make my own ringtones for my phone without the burden of downloading apps or jailbreaking my phone
--- End quote ---
The way I see the feature delay on iPhones is this: Apple started with their desktop OS (OS X) and had to transform it into that of a phone. It's not too far off from writing an entirely new phone OS. They didn't have anything else to base it on. As a result, it took a while to reach feature parity with phones that had been in existence before.
I will admit that the ringtone bit is a kinda silly.
--- End quote ---
Even if they did build it from scratch. They could have pushed for everything in in the first release. They did not even have a 3g chipset in the first so it wasnt not an os limitation. It was all good business on their part if you ask me. And it has worked so far. I use a macbook and dont knock it at all. But i sometimes agree there new and improved laptops are just a little bit over the last model. Usually just enough to make you want it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Android was built from scratch, and many phones using Android (HTC Being the first) had 3G and MMS almost right off the bat instead of having to wait how long since Gen1 to Gen3? I gotta agree on the above on this one. It was premature, "good business" or fail depending on how you look at it. I mean it's one thing if a simple upgrades means I get these features on a gen 1 iphone. It's another to be required to buy a new gen iPhone to get this feature. Arbitrarily defending Apple by saying, "Most don't use that, or you can do X (If you learn how to hack and mod and flash and all that shit 90% of all normal consumers are too stupid to do) is stupid and it just reinforces the belief of a locked down inferior product because you are TOLD what you need.
I mean, "older" tech isn't really an issue here. It's something else underlying. Cars for instance have had certain types of technologies for over 20+ years but don't get critiqued as harshly unless it can't follow up on "standards" in the industry. (such as cost effectiveness, mileage, just running for fucks sakes etc.)
iindigo:
True. It could be argued that Android had the advantage of being open and known to the community, compared to Apple's legendary levels of secrecy, though, allowing people to tell Google and co exactly what they wanted it to be able to do before it was even released.
mgz:
--- Quote from: iindigo on July 07, 2009, 12:06:53 AM ---True. It could be argued that Android had the advantage of being open and known to the community, compared to Apple's legendary levels of secrecy, though, allowing people to tell Google and co exactly what they wanted it to be able to do before it was even released.
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apple keeping their own shit top secret doesnt stop them from browsing the internet that is filled without countless apple fanboy forums and websites spouting the nonsense they would like to see put into apple products.
Apple isnt fucking stupid. They knew that because of the buzz around the iphone they could deliberately leave out features like 3G with the mindset that its ok the next one will have it.
Enough apple retard fanboys went out and bought an iphone 3G when they had a regular iphone that they would be stupid not to continue such trends.
Until the retard apple fanboys learn how to tell apple to go fuck themselves for taking advantage heavily of their supporters you will continue to be swindle by the worlds biggest and popular carnies aka Apple
fohfoh:
Honestly speaking, I'd rather Sony over Apply. Sony may have stuff that the consumer wants, but it's damn expensive, but it's "topline" and far too pricey. Apple has stuff that's far too pricey but no where close to top line. High mid maybe, but not top. Sony actually "invents"(OLED kinda, PS3 kinda, MS Duo etc kinda), Apple pretends to "innovate". That's about it. It's still riding on the coattails of its original products. I mean, the only thing the iPod is decent for is playlists, but give an mp3/4 a little time and the same can be done there (though not as idiot proof as that piece of shit known as iTunes).
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