Umineko no Naku Koro ni

[chronofate]

I had the sensation that I'm watching an adaptation of "And Then There Were None" (or "Ten Little Niggers") by Agatha Christie....

[psyren]

Schizophrenia =/= split personality disorder.

[xShadow]

So far, I've read all of the manga of this that was out on onemanga, and I actually found it fairly enjoyable. Maybe it's because I didn't watch all of those incredibly similar shows that you guys keep mentioning that I've never heard of (well, partly never heard of because no particular names were mentioned, save Detective Conan... though Detective Conan probably didn't involve crazy witch shit).

At the moment, I'm seeing this as a more drawn out version of Higurashi, and I'm not really minding it too much. Maybe it's because I'm not normally a fan of this genre, but I think this show can and will probably get better. It probably won't be quite like Higurashi, but I don't really care if it is. I'll simply watch it to get the same feel.

I'll probably be downloading this once it starts getting past where the manga is.

[Path]

This is anime. In anime, everyone is oblivious to EVERYTHING. I suppose I wouldn't like it as much if they weren't.

I dare say you're entitled to expect more given the target demographic. Still, it might've been tolerable had Battler not been such a vexing entity. I approve of a minor case of crossover here to introduce Mr battler to the finer points of arguing:

Schizophrenia =/= split personality disorder.

I think I'll dodge the MPD / DID debate for now, though I'm more or less in the same camp.

So far, I've read all of the manga of this that was out on onemanga, and I actually found it fairly enjoyable. Maybe it's because I didn't watch all of those incredibly similar shows that you guys keep mentioning that I've never heard of (well, partly never heard of because no particular names were mentioned, save Detective Conan... though Detective Conan probably didn't involve crazy witch shit).

Probably because Umineko appears to have been pieced together using some of the most overdone clichés in mystery writing and early mystery / horror movies; this is why you'll see more literature references than anime ones. If you've never read or watched older mystery works, it's less surprising that you'd find the premise acceptable. This show is poor, sadly, and knowing that the same people behind the amazing first season of Higurashi (and acceptable second season) are behind this is painful.

[xShadow]

I don't really see how that gives you an excuse for just arbitrarily putting it down as "poor".

"If you've watched "this", "this", and "this", then this has a lot of cliches and I'm arbitrarily putting it down as a "piece of shit"."

You can say that sentence for almost anything. Rather, some of the most "not cliche" stuff sucks the most when it actually comes down to how good it is.

Hell, what the fuck is so strange about Higurashi? "A bunch of people go crazy and kill each other. If you've seen this other thing where a bunch of people go crazy and kill each other, then this is cliche, and it sucks". "Y'know, this whole world conquest thing that they're doing in Code Geass has been tried several times in history! Fucking boring!"

I don't mind a little cliche with obscure western movies/novels that I apparently never heard of. Hell, I'm sure Japanese people don't either, considering they're... y'know... Japanese. I don't think it's a poor offering by the studio, I think it's just one that isn't really as suited for a western audience... which isn't surprising, considering it's first and foremost made for Japanese otaku, not us. Apparently most of the anidb crowd shares my hopes for this show getting better sooner or later... or maybe they don't even mind it at all as it is now. I know I don't particularly mind it.

[erious]

*sigh*
Right, because no one pointed any other flaws then Umineko being painfully full of clichés. No one mentioned poor direction, ridiculous dialogues, or bad animation, nope. And it's just because we're not a real hardcore japanese otaku, that we can't appreciate this wonderful work of art.
Also, bringing up Code Geass, and linking AniDB ratings totally helps your case.

[xShadow]

*sigh*
Right, because no one pointed any other flaws then Umineko being painfully full of clichés. No one mentioned poor direction, ridiculous dialogues, or bad animation, nope. And it's just because we're not a real hardcore japanese otaku, that we can't appreciate this wonderful work of art.
Also, bringing up Code Geass, and linking AniDB ratings totally helps your case.

Right, and you not bringing up any of this fucking "bad dialogue" and telling me why it's bad is really helping "your" case. I've looked over this thread, and all I've seen is your goddamn bitching about how you think this is similar to other stuff and how you think it's inferior to Higurashi. Then, you decide to completely miss the fucking point of the show, which is, "it's not necessarily more Higurashi", and go into a phase where you just start dissing anyone else's opinion of the show that's contrary to yours. I, and those other 100+ people on anidb think that this can turn into a decent show, or already is. You, don't agree. We, collectively, don't give a fucking shit about your opinion. At this point, you can go say that "you're stupid for not sharing my point of view". Which is what you have been doing practically this entire thread. I don't know if it's ever even gotten through your fucking head that some people look at things and events differently from you. We perhaps don't mind a graphical mistake, and even like the dialogue... and we don't mind its direction.

Go fucking get a clue.

[Aneroph]

Whoa, let's calm down guys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I for one wouldn't want to see this thread get locked at episode three of the series because it doesn't live up to some expectations.

I have already watched the OP and ED a couple hundred times because they are so epic. I usually pass by the part with Maria screaming and rewatch it along the way. I honestly have no idea why I like that part, but I do. I really want these OSTs.

Is everyone watching these eps from GG? I compared GG with Seacats and Hatsuyuki (the HD upscales). I still can't make up my mind which group I want to keep getting. Most likely I'll grab whichever comes out first.

[xShadow]

That's why I'm getting pissed. I fucking hate people that are just like "I think this way about this show, so you should, too, because I'm 100% right". That's what I'm implying here. You're entitled to think this sucks, but if someone doesn't agree and likes it, don't dampen their enjoyment just because you think they're wrong and like to shove your opinion in their face. It seriously annoys the shit out of me.

[erious]

  nerdrage is always soooo amusing.

I have already watched the OP and ED a couple hundred times because they are so epic. I usually pass by the part with Maria screaming and rewatch it along the way. I honestly have no idea why I like that part, but I do. I really want these OSTs.

Yup, I don't find them particularly epic as a whole, but the music itself in OP and Ed is certainly really nice.

Is everyone watching these eps from GG? I compared GG with Seacats and Hatsuyuki (the HD upscales). I still can't make up my mind which group I want to keep getting. Most likely I'll grab whichever comes out first.

I just went with gg, I must say I'm rather fond of their work recently, and their usually really fast.

[dbml]

*sigh*
Right, because no one pointed any other flaws then Umineko being painfully full of clichés. No one mentioned poor direction, ridiculous dialogues, or bad animation, nope. And it's just because we're not a real hardcore japanese otaku, that we can't appreciate this wonderful work of art.
Also, bringing up Code Geass, and linking AniDB ratings totally helps your case.

I wholeheartedly agree. This is easily one of the worst series I've seen, plot and higurashi-style storytelling notwithstanding. The only enjoyable part so far has been Maria's vicious grins... and that's only because it's hilarious. Battler is the dumbest protagonist I've ever seen... who should really be the next to die.

And I don't think the characters oblivious. More like they really don't give a damn if someone was killed, just as long as it wasn't them. Although not a single one seems scared, which is bullshit. Anyone with a brain would be freaking out a little bit if you were trapped on a tiny island with a mass-murderer on the loose.

This series is failing at pretty much every level. If it keeps getting worse, it might actually be one of the best "bad" series ever! Yay

I have already watched the OP and ED a couple hundred times because they are so epic. I usually pass by the part with Maria screaming and rewatch it along the way. I honestly have no idea why I like that part, but I do. I really want these OSTs.

I'm not a fan of the ED, but the OP is great. The first 12 seconds or so gives me chills.

[Path]

I don't really see how that gives you an excuse for just arbitrarily putting it down as "poor".

What, exactly, is arbitrary about it? Did you read the thread?

"If you've watched "this", "this", and "this", then this has a lot of cliches and I'm arbitrarily putting it down as a "piece of shit"."

"Ok". Let's have a quick glance at some of the issues here:

• Poor dialogue - as evidenced by character interaction. The exposition hell / information dump reitering is a crude device at best.
• Art direction - character design adaptation aside, the animation is paltry at best (glitches nonwithstanding...)
• Premise - And Then There Were None meets Faust. Yatta, I guess.
• Nondescript menagerie - While this will (hopefully) change curing the cycles, when was the last time you encountered such a bland cast?
• Poor acting - from the clearly disturbed child to the self-proclaimed information dump and the lackluster reactions of the cast, it's just lacking.
• Grating details - where Higurashi shone in the little details, Umineko does the reverse, from the epigraph to the "dramatic" announcement of imminent doom followed by flashing lightning.
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXMCJaZO1g - ok, so that one's below the belt

Hell, what the fuck is so strange about Higurashi? "A bunch of people go crazy and kill each other. If you've seen this other thing where a bunch of people go crazy and kill each other, then this is cliche, and it sucks".

Yes, because Higurashi was all about the graphic violence. Honestly.

"Y'know, this whole world conquest thing that they're doing in Code Geass has been tried several times in history! Fucking boring!"

What - the - flying - **** does Code Geass have to do with this?

I don't mind a little cliche with obscure western movies/novels that I apparently never heard of.

Christie is an obscure author? I guess that makes Hitchcock obscure as well. Who, I wonder, qualifies as a renowned author then? Steven King?

Hell, I'm sure Japanese people don't either, considering they're... y'know... Japanese. I don't think it's a poor offering by the studio, I think it's just one that isn't really as suited for a western audience... which isn't surprising, considering it's first and foremost made for Japanese otaku, not us.

Wait, Japanese have different tastes? This day is just full of fascinating revelations. I guess I must've missed a moeblob or two.

Apparently most of the anidb crowd shares my hopes for this show getting better sooner or later... or maybe they don't even mind it at all as it is now. I know I don't particularly mind it.

Oh for crying out loud. Next you'll be linking to 4chan...

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Go fucking get a clue.

I take it eloquence isn't your forte. Odd as it may seem, inserting various forms of fuck in every other sentence doesn't make your argument any stronger.

I have already watched the OP and ED a couple hundred times because they are so epic. I usually pass by the part with Maria screaming and rewatch it along the way. I honestly have no idea why I like that part, but I do. I really want these OSTs.

Aye, the OP especially is great. I'll probably scoop those up once released.

[Nikran]

Battler the dumbest protagonist? No way. Shirou from fate/stay night is the only one worthy of such a discription. The most Galacticly stupid person ever.

Battler could prolly count up to 10. Shirou would be like "10? whats that? Can you eat it?"

[Aneroph]

And I don't think the characters oblivious. More like they really don't give a damn if someone was killed, just as long as it wasn't them. Although not a single one seems scared, which is bullshit. Anyone with a brain would be freaking out a little bit if you were trapped on a tiny island with a mass-murderer on the loose.

You make a good point here. Every person on the island was basically already trying to undermine each other to be the next head of the family and the next inline to receive all the riches. If people are dying off that just brings them one step closer to obtaining the gold. They might not have had the balls to kill people to get to the riches, but they don't seem too unhappy that someone is starting to kill people. Also, the little scroll thingy that they read clearly states that once someone discovers the gold, everything will be returned to them, I'm assuming this means the dead will come back as well, but I could be wrong.

@Nikran: Shirou stupid? please. He's the most selfless character of any anime in existence. I would suggest you play the VN to fully understand him as he does come off stupid and stubborn in the anime, but if you didn't care for the anime then the VN is already fail to you.

[Tatsujin]

Battler the dumbest protagonist? No way. Shirou from fate/stay night is the only one worthy of such a discription. The most Galacticly stupid person ever.

Battler could prolly count up to 10. Shirou would be like "10? whats that? Can you eat it?"

From what you're typing, you really haven't played Fate/Stay Night game, did you? In the anime, he is somewhat pathetic during couple of episodes .. probably the first 6 or 7 episodes and then he gets his shape up. Unfortunality, you don't even know who Shirou really is, what he did and whatever his abouts are. Why don't you play the visual game and give it a try? At least through FATE arc.

The stupidest character would be that retarded fucking kid in Claymore that follows that chick. Whatever his name is, he pisses me off so much. Shirou owns him, and for the record ... Shirou plays such a big role, not just a main lead, but also as one of the most powerful characters in F/SN in completely two different appearances. Those who played the game know what I'm talking about. =]

Edit -- I think my blood pressure just went up. Ane was telling me "What if they made an anime for Shirou vs. Archer?" ... That's one of the best fights, ever.

[Nikran]

I ain't played the game, only seen the anime and he was so retarded during the frist half it was shocking. yeh he got better, but then again since it was physically impossible to become more retarded then he was his only option aside from remaining a retard was to become less of a retard. "People die if they are killed," reflects his level of intelligence perfectly =P

Though yeh, your right, I don't know the whole story (Only the animes side of things) since i ain't played the game. If Shirou is some kinda great protagonist in the game then his anime counterpart went horribly wrong somewhere

[xShadow]

I don't really see how that gives you an excuse for just arbitrarily putting it down as "poor".

What, exactly, is arbitrary about it? Did you read the thread?

Oh, I don't know, the way you reply to anyone that says they like it with saying that it's pure shit?

"If you've watched "this", "this", and "this", then this has a lot of cliches and I'm arbitrarily putting it down as a "piece of shit"."

"Ok". Let's have a quick glance at some of the issues here:

• Poor dialogue - as evidenced by character interaction. The exposition hell / information dump reitering is a crude device at best.
  Examples. I liked the dialogue.
  
• Art direction - character design adaptation aside, the animation is paltry at best (glitches nonwithstanding...)
  I don't mind the animation. I like it. Hell, from watching that youtube clip you gave me, I don't really see how it's that much worse than Higurashi...
• Premise - And Then There Were None meets Faust. Yatta, I guess.
  I've never read/watched any of those. Do I give a shit?
• Nondescript menagerie - While this will (hopefully) change curing the cycles, when was the last time you encountered such a bland cast?
  Bland? I generally only watch high rated stuff (8+ rated), and I didn't mind the cast here at all. They seem like you normal little horror flick cast, sure, but hell if I mind.
• Poor acting - from the clearly disturbed child to the self-proclaimed information dump and the lackluster reactions of the cast, it's just lacking.
  Lmfao. Acting? Now we're describing the acting performances of characters in an anime. This is just funny.
• Grating details - where Higurashi shone in the little details, Umineko does the reverse, from the epigraph to the "dramatic" announcement of imminent doom followed by flashing lightning.
  I like that. Maybe you don't.
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXMCJaZO1g - ok, so that one's below the belt
  Hmmm? She's a strange little kid, sure. I don't see anything other than that, and I don't give a shit.

Hell, what the fuck is so strange about Higurashi? "A bunch of people go crazy and kill each other. If you've seen this other thing where a bunch of people go crazy and kill each other, then this is cliche, and it sucks".

Yes, because Higurashi was all about the graphic violence. Honestly.

You obviously missed the point of my argument.

"Y'know, this whole world conquest thing that they're doing in Code Geass has been tried several times in history! Fucking boring!"

What - the - flying - **** does Code Geass have to do with this?

Enough for me to quote it.

I don't mind a little cliche with obscure western movies/novels that I apparently never heard of.

Christie is an obscure author? I guess that makes Hitchcock obscure as well. Who, I wonder, qualifies as a renowned author then? Steven King?

Obviously, because I've actually heard of him and I haven't heard of either of those.

Hell, I'm sure Japanese people don't either, considering they're... y'know... Japanese. I don't think it's a poor offering by the studio, I think it's just one that isn't really as suited for a western audience... which isn't surprising, considering it's first and foremost made for Japanese otaku, not us.

Wait, Japanese have different tastes? This day is just full of fascinating revelations. I guess I must've missed a moeblob or two.

... Again, you missed the fucking point.

Apparently most of the anidb crowd shares my hopes for this show getting better sooner or later... or maybe they don't even mind it at all as it is now. I know I don't particularly mind it.

Oh for crying out loud. Next you'll be linking to 4chan...

Anidb is an anime community, and it's full of plenty of people that have watched more anime than YOU have. Go fucking link me to anime planet or some bullshit and I'll tell you the same thing.

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Go fucking get a clue.

I take it eloquence isn't your forte. Odd as it may seem, inserting various forms of fuck in every other sentence doesn't make your argument any stronger.

I'm eloquent to people that deserve an eloquent argument. He deserved a fucking beatdown. Got it? Good.

I have already watched the OP and ED a couple hundred times because they are so epic. I usually pass by the part with Maria screaming and rewatch it along the way. I honestly have no idea why I like that part, but I do. I really want these OSTs.

Aye, the OP especially is great. I'll probably scoop those up once released.

Replies in bold.

[Tatsujin]

I ain't played the game, only seen the anime and he was so retarded during the frist half it was shocking. yeh he got better, but then again since it was physically impossible to become more retarded then he was his only option aside from remaining a retard was to become less of a retard. "People die if they are killed," reflects his level of intelligence perfectly =P

Though yeh, your right, I don't know the whole story (Only the animes side of things) since i ain't played the game. If Shirou is some kinda great protagonist in the game then his anime counterpart went horribly wrong somewhere

If you play the game, you'll understand why the anime was put together. That's why we say the anime should have been done in like 50 episode sequence. But talking shit about a character when you merely know who he really is to others who know whom he is, ... seriously dude. Play the visual novel through Fate arc, even Fate arc won't be enough. UBW pretty much is ALL about Shirou.

I'll tell you what, you may never play the game so for the hell of it ... Archer is Shirou, he's older in age and is a Heroic being and is considered to be favored by many, many people. Shirou learns a lot from Archer, and Shirou is a separate being from Archer as he defines himself perfectly in UBW, a little in Fate arc, and Heaven's Feel. <-- Read that.

[erious]

Path, while I appreciate your effort, please don't feed the troll. And someone warn him already, it's getting tiresome.
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I don't think Battler is the dumbest protagonist ever, not by a long shot. And while I've not seen the Fate/Stay Night anime yet, is all that you wrote in the spoiler really omitted from anime? Weird. I don't think Shirou was particularly smart in the game though, but that's only because he served as a vessel for some of Nasu's pseudo-philosophical ramblings. Other then that, he was pretty okay. But that's a discussion for another topic.

[xShadow]

Path, while I appreciate your effort, please don't feed the troll. And someone warn him already, it's getting tiresome.
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I don't think Battler is the dumbest protagonist ever, not by a long shot. And while I've not seen the Fate/Stay Night anime yet, is all that you wrote in the spoiler really omitted from anime? Weird. I don't think Shirou was particularly smart in the game though, but that's only because he served as a vessel for some of Nasu's pseudo-philosophical ramblings. Other then that, he was pretty okay. But that's a discussion for another topic.

Troll, huh? I don't particularly see how I was flaming YOU in particular. I used the word fuck a gratuitous amount of times, but it was a testament to how much you annoyed me. If you wanna call me a troll, I can call you the same, because you incited that out of me with the way you were posting. Great job on the classification.