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Umineko no Naku Koro ni
dbml:
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--- Quote from: xShadow on July 21, 2009, 12:20:50 AM ---I'll give a small list of things that can be actually PROVEN to be bad:
1. Plot holes. You can logically prove that a plot hole is a plot hole. Plot holes are bad.
2. Animation mistakes. That picture with the butler is obviously not what it's supposed to be.
As for your so-called "non-subjective" bad direction, I have news for you: it is subjective. Why? Because I disagree with people saying it's bad here; I like the way it's going (and so do some 100 people on anidb). There, owned.
Make things nice and clear for ya people?
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That can also be looked at as mob mentality. As in, the Higurashi fanboys will claim all Higurashi related material to be brilliant no matter how bad it really is... then everyone else jumps on board to feel special. The people that don't give a damn about what the series is and actually like watching good anime are willing to see the flaws and point them out, instead of brushing them aside like they're completely meaningless or that they don't exist at all.
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I can tell you right now that I am not a Higurashi fanboy (if anything, I have the mentality of a person that never sticks to one crowd). Moreover, I can hardly see how you would attribute it entirely to "mob mentality". I don't think that such a thing as "mob mentality" really exists much on the internet, especially not on anidb, because anidb users are some of the people with the least communication between each other, ever. If anything, I go there when I want really unbiased ratings from a large group of people. So far, I haven't really been proven wrong. If I see something that has high ratings and a large number of people rated it that, I generally haven't been disappointed (except for Bleach. However, bleach may be moreso the fact that it had a great start, so people rated it highly when it started out, but did not retract their votes when it turned to shit, and it went on for so long Anidb is more accurate for shorter series).
Also, I usually pull up the comment sheets. To see if people had reasons for enjoying it. You can see that this isn't just blind fanboy rating. People are actually fine with the way it's going, and they have reasons. To give an example of this, there is Minami Ke Okawari. In case you haven't noticed, even fans (or if you wanna call them fanboys) of the original, great anime did not automatically just start rating this one highly. It was promptly thrown aside as bad, though if you pull up the comment sheets for it, there are still people who liked it, and they rated it high.
I don't see why anidb ratings are just "oh, it's the bandwagon"... and even if it does have a bandwagon, who is to say that the bandwagon is made of peer pressure? If you flip the situation over and think about it the other way, isn't it just as much trying to be special when you DON'T hop on the bandwagon? People that even think thoughts like that are the ones that actually CARE about peer pressure. I'm just genuinely saying, not based on whoever the fuck's bandwagon, that I think I might enjoy this. Therefore, I'm CHOOSING to hop on the bandwagon and watch this.
I think that's the way things should be. I agree that there might be just a slight, tiny bit of mob mentality in that rating, but I think that it overall represents accurate opinions and should not be thrown aside just because you think there's a bandwagon and disagree in order to not be part of it.
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I think there's a lot more of this mob mentality/bandwagon thing going on than you think. Bleach (and Naruto, DBZ etc) are a perfect example of it. I like Bleach because it gives me my fix for mindless battling without much else. Is it actually "good" anime? No, it's not.
The same can be said for this series. I'm enjoying it because it's so damn bad! The only aspect of it that is at least par for the course is the animation (not counting the butler disaster). The story is interesting to a point, but is falling flat in execution. For a so-called mystery, it's about as dull and boring as it can get. Where's the suspense? Everyone knows people are going to die, so it's not like it's a surprise when it happens. The drama is laughable, as it's clearly forced by the characters. Most don't act surprised at all of the deaths. Where the hell is the realism? It all seems fake. And the characters are flat as hell too, there's nothing to them... except for Maria.
I don't see how anyone who likes watching anime for whatever reason could actually find this series to be as "great" as they are rating it as up to this point.
--- Quote from: anerph on July 21, 2009, 12:59:03 AM ---I tend to think that all these ridiculous cliches, the over-the-top characters, and the confusing bit of storyline is a diversion to something hidden much deeper. Maybe I'm just hoping that it is, but I honestly don't think anyone would make such a cliche mystery/horror anime without viable reasons.
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I can agree with that. Right now it's absolute garbage. But could something happen that totally blows my mind and makes me think otherwise? Sure. But I don't foresee that happening here.
zherok:
--- Quote from: dbml on July 21, 2009, 01:40:00 AM ---For a so-called mystery, it's about as dull and boring as it can get. Where's the suspense? Everyone knows people are going to die, so it's not like it's a surprise when it happens. The drama is laughable, as it's clearly forced by the characters. Most don't act surprised at all of the deaths. Where the hell is the realism? It all seems fake. And the characters are flat as hell too, there's nothing to them... except for Maria.
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Haven't seen this, but I wonder if it's worse than Neuro? I can't say I've seen tons of mystery series, but as far as mystery goes in Neuro, everything is either blindingly obvious or it's obscured in some random scooby doo-esque explanation. It's gotta be the least suspenseful detective series I've ever seen.
xShadow:
I mentioned Bleach, and I also mentioned why its ratings are probably skewed. However, for series that aren't slated to go on for long, anidb is quite accurate. Like I said, I've generally not been disappointed with its ratings.
When I say there's probably not much bandwagonning going on, I can give evidence by pulling up the comment sheet; no one's just like "Omg, it's from the creators of Higurashi, it's gonna be awesome." Sure, some people have anticipation, but they aren't just rating it good automatically. Where's your evidence?
As for what you think of the series, that's fine. I think there's plenty for me to like about this series. If you don't think that, then that's your opinion.
That having been said, I usually take the opinions of BXT (or Baka now... I guess) people pretty highly.. but it failed for ME here. I actually went out and read the manga at random one day, with no expectations at all (to be honest, I at first found the story description on anidb to be pretty bland myself), and found myself pleasantly surprised. My thoughts at the time were, "If the story in the anime is like this, then I can see it going places, I like this." Maybe you have a differing opinion, but this is an anime I for one see a some potential in. That's just how I think of it.
Edit: From what I read of Neuro, it isn't really like that. This show is far more occult than Neuro is, and it's kind of different in general.
dbml:
--- Quote from: zherok on July 21, 2009, 01:47:08 AM ---Haven't seen this, but I wonder if it's worse than Neuro? I can't say I've seen tons of mystery series, but as far as mystery goes in Neuro, everything is either blindingly obvious or it's obscured in some random scooby doo-esque explanation. It's gotta be the least suspenseful detective series I've ever seen.
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I haven't seen that series personally... but Scooby Doo... damn I love that show.
--- Quote from: xShadow on July 21, 2009, 01:54:18 AM ---As for what you think of the series, that's fine. I think there's plenty for me to like about this series. If you don't think that, then that's your opinion.
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Then please explain exactly what you like about the series so much. I gave detailed reasons as to why I don't like it so far. I've yet to see reasons why you do like it. All you keep saying is "that's your opinion". I'm trying to understand your reasons for liking it and you're giving me nothing but double talk.
zherok:
--- Quote from: dbml on July 21, 2009, 02:06:03 AM ---I haven't seen that series personally... but Scooby Doo... damn I love that show.
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It's not a good thing for Neuro, it's like, any detail you don't know about a murder is probably because the explanation is far too exotic to have been deducible (usually the "how," as in how a murder took place.) Everything else is usually obvious. The "who" is usually whatever character in the episode gets the most attention. The "why" is always, "because the murderer is totally fucking batshit." All "mysteries" are solved by Neuro controlling the female protagonist into implicating the suspect, while Neuro then explains the entire thing. The suspect then inevitably turns into this sorta "monster" form of themselves, and reveals the "why" (see above). It has a sorta "I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling kids" angle, but it's far dumber.
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