Author Topic: Umineko no Naku Koro ni (Read 47359 times)

erious · « **Reply #40 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:50:00 AM »

Just finished ep 02... It's still ridiculously bad. But people die, so I'm happy. Kinda expected that they'll be killed off in smaller portions, but I guess it's better that way.
This episode laugh out loud moment: When what's-his-name announces he will die tonight, and lighting flashes in the background. Can you say cliché?
Also, I wonder if there's even one person that expected Shannon to

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Good news: I now remember the names of about a third of the cast! Hooray! Still don't care about them though.

Path · « **Reply #41 on:** July 09, 2009, 12:24:49 PM »

Haha, this episode was pure gold. I ddin't actually think they'd manage something so cliché, but I guess one should never take anything for granted.

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Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 11:50:00 AM

This episode laugh out loud moment: When what's-his-name announces he will die tonight, and lighting flashes in the background. Can you say cliché?

It feels a bit like watching a "dramatic" re-take on a Christie novel (And Then There Were None comes to mind again, sighs), but to be honest I chuckled at that; I'm fairly certain it was included as a homage of sorts, since no one can possibly find it dramatic.

erious · « **Reply #42 on:** July 09, 2009, 12:42:00 PM »

Quote from: Path on July 09, 2009, 12:24:49 PM

I'm fairly certain it was included as a homage of sorts, since no one can possibly find it dramatic.

I doubt it. Unless the whole series would be a homage. It's seriously weird; I rewatched Higurashi recently, and the direction, while not perfect, was noticeably better. And it's directed by the same guy.
It's not only direction; writing is bad, dialogue in some parts is simply abominable. Oh, and I want to punch the guy who adapted the character designs for anime.
But still, I'm enjoying this anime, just because it's so bad it's good.

Path · « **Reply #43 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:19:56 PM »

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 12:42:00 PM

I doubt it. Unless the whole series would be a homage.
It's not only direction; writing is bad, dialogue in some parts is simply abominable. Oh, and I want to punch the guy who adapted the character designs for anime.
But still, I'm enjoying this anime, just because it's so bad it's good.

The occult overtunes notwithstanding, that's what I initially took this to be; how else could you explain the abundance of clichés and worn-out devices? If there was something more to it, shouldn't the team have been able to make better use of the VN? I'm now tempted to grab it in an attempt to make sense of the choices made with this production.

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 12:42:00 PM

It's seriously weird; I rewatched Higurashi recently, and the direction, while not perfect, was noticeably better. And it's directed by the same guy.

Huh, it is. That's just depressing. For all the flaws of Higurashi (specifically the latter season), it was a solid production.

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erious · « **Reply #44 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:31:02 PM »

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Any takes on who the deceased are? Sayo and Jessica's father (Klaus?) obviously, but who else? Stands to the reason that the protagonist's drama queen father is one of them, but that still leaves three. Maria's parents, perhaps, since going against the loli is never a good idea in these shows.

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Path · « **Reply #45 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:46:37 PM »

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 02:31:02 PM

Quote from: Path on July 09, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
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Any takes on who the deceased are? Sayo and Jessica's father (Klaus?) obviously, but who else? Stands to the reason that the protagonist's drama queen father is one of them, but that still leaves three. Maria's parents, perhaps, since going against the loli is never a good idea in these shows.
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Sayo/Shannon, both of Battlers parents, Jessica's father, Maria's mother, and Gohda, right?

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dbml · « **Reply #46 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:34:10 PM »

Well, on the plus side there was far less ooohs and aaaaaahs from Maria

One the downside, I'm very disappointed. It's boring as hell! All the emotion seems forced and faked. I hope it gets better.

LoneWolf · « **Reply #47 on:** July 09, 2009, 06:00:40 PM »

Well, I guess that I'm the only one that thinks that show isn't that bad

Emotions seemed faked especially in the end (hmmm... but maybe some characters were faking

), little character development, and probably too rushed deaths, but besides that it wasn't bad at all. Oh well, that's just my opinion.

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Nikran · « **Reply #48 on:** July 09, 2009, 06:33:03 PM »

I don't think it's that bad this anime either.

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erious · « **Reply #49 on:** July 09, 2009, 06:41:12 PM »

So what exactly was good about it? Poor writing and bad direction aren't exactly subjective matters.
Lots of people dying is pretty much a part of the premise, I could only accept it as a redeeming feature if it was unexpected.

Nikran · « **Reply #50 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:24:06 PM »

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 06:41:12 PM

So what exactly was good about it? Poor writing and bad direction aren't exactly subjective matters.
Lots of people dying is pretty much a part of the premise, I could only accept it as a redeeming feature if it was unexpected.

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dbml · « **Reply #51 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:36:39 PM »

You can go ahead and call me an idiot right now before I can continue.
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Done yet? Good.

I had no idea this was the next season of Higurashi. No wonder there's been so much talk of it intertwined with everything. How was I supposed to know? With a name like Umineko no Naku Koro ni... I sure in hell don't see "Higurashi" in that. I'm so pissed now. I never would've started watching this if I had known. Sorry, but watching the same event over and over with different viewpoints is stupid and repetitive as hell. The ONLY way it can work is if there's two viewpoints in total. One from the main guy... and one from the killer. That's it! Every other viewpoint is shit.

I'm going to drop this series once it starts to repeat and I'll judge the series based off that. I refuse to watch more than that.

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queenmetroid · « **Reply #52 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:38:33 PM »

I went and watched this after seeing this thread, and I have to say that I think this could be a decent series. The premise is good, and even though you can see what's coming a mile away, this might turn out all right. I'm not really getting the same Higurashi vibe, but perhaps it will get better as it goes on. Hopefull I'll develop some empathy for the characters.

And I don't think the girl has annoying noises. They fit her stupid insecure character rather well.

erious · « **Reply #53 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:41:56 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on July 09, 2009, 07:24:06 PM

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Well i guess the plot and the questions that are raised by it, they make it intresting for me. When i say plot i mean the basic events; peeps come to island, possiblity of an unknown person on it with them, half the guests get slaughtered and now left with a big mystery. Providing that the VN's storyline is very strong and has a good ending it might make up for the poor writing and bad direction the anime seems to be suffering from. guess only time will tell.

Please tell me you're joking. You really don't realize how ridiculously overdone is this premise is?

Quote from: Nikran on July 09, 2009, 07:24:06 PM

One question though. Do you already consider this anime a lost cause despite that it's only on ep 2 outta who knows how many? im guessing it will be 24 total eps by the end.

The only thing that can get better(and I assume it will, otherwise all the people that played the game have been lying to me) is the story. Writing, dialogues, direction, art, all that probably won't get better. And no matter how good your story is, if you can't tell it properly it's not going to be interesting.

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:36:39 PM

You can go ahead and call me an idiot right now before I can continue.
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Done yet? Good.

I had no idea this was the next season of Higurashi. No wonder there's been so much talk of it intertwined with everything. How was I supposed to know? With a name like Umineko no Naku Koro ni... I sure in hell don't see "Higurashi" in that. I'm so pissed now. I never would've started watching this if I had known. Sorry, but watching the same event over and over with different viewpoints is stupid and repetitive as hell. The ONLY way it can work is if there's two viewpoints in total. One from the main guy... and one from the killer. That's it! Every other viewpoint is shit.

I'm going to drop this series once it starts to repeat and I'll judge the series based off that. I refuse to watch more than that.
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I'm only interested in knowing if Beatrice is real or not, and if she's the killer.

Why the fuck did you even write it then? If you're not interested in hearing opinions that might differ from yours, why even take part in discussion?

dbml · « **Reply #54 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:52:55 PM »

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 07:41:56 PM

Why the fuck did you even write it then? If you're not interested in hearing opinions that might differ from yours, why even take part in discussion?

Because I'm allowed an opinion? I'm more than interested in other people's opinions. I'm saying the concept is stupid as hell. As for the series so far, it's pretty damn bad. That's before I knew it was a Higurashi series. There's not a single likable character. The plot, while initially interesting, is getting weaker. The drama and emotion is forced. The only interesting part is Beatrice.

erious · « **Reply #55 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:58:11 PM »

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:52:55 PM

I'm more than interested in other people's opinions.

Right, because starting your post with "call me an idiot right now" doesn't suggest at all that you don't give a damn about what they might want to say if they disagree with you.

queenmetroid · « **Reply #56 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:01:47 PM »

One thing is clear; this anime has a lot to live up to, and from the restless fans, it doesn't look like it's suceeding. I'll wait to see whole effect of the series before I judge it.

Nikran · « **Reply #57 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:02:20 PM »

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:36:39 PM

You can go ahead and call me an idiot right now before I can continue.
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Done yet? Good.

I had no idea this was the next season of Higurashi. No wonder there's been so much talk of it intertwined with everything. How was I supposed to know? With a name like Umineko no Naku Koro ni... I sure in hell don't see "Higurashi" in that. I'm so pissed now. I never would've started watching this if I had known. Sorry, but watching the same event over and over with different viewpoints is stupid and repetitive as hell. The ONLY way it can work is if there's two viewpoints in total. One from the main guy... and one from the killer. That's it! Every other viewpoint is shit.

I'm going to drop this series once it starts to repeat and I'll judge the series based off that. I refuse to watch more than that.
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I'm only interested in knowing if Beatrice is real or not, and if she's the killer.

I dunno why u think there will be repeats. I mean sure there could be, but im not aware of that being the case atm. Besides Higurashi's repeats served a purpose (aside from letting all the chars die lots of times which was amusing) and the repeats represented a major plot element. I don't think thats gonna be the case with Umineko........but again could be proven wrong by next ep or two.

Also there was plenty of clues that this was related to Higurashi - such as Anidb having Higurashi in the 'Relations' bit on Umineko's page. Also the names of both animes are only diffrent by 1 word; Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni/Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

dbml · « **Reply #58 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:16:33 PM »

Quote from: erious on July 09, 2009, 07:58:11 PM

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
I'm more than interested in other people's opinions.
Right, because starting your post with "call me an idiot right now" doesn't suggest at all that you don't give a damn about what they might want to say if they disagree with you.

That had to do with me not realizing it was Higurashi. I was calling myself an idiot. It had nothing to do with anyone else's opinions about the series.

Quote from: Nikran on July 09, 2009, 08:02:20 PM

I dunno why u think there will be repeats. I mean sure there could be, but im not aware of that being the case atm. Besides Higurashi's repeats served a purpose (aside from letting all the chars die lots of times which was amusing) and the repeats represented a major plot element. I don't think thats gonna be the case with Umineko........but again could be proven wrong by next ep or two.

Also there was plenty of clues that this was related to Higurashi - such as Anidb having Higurashi in the 'Relations' bit on Umineko's page. Also the names of both animes are only diffrent by 1 word; Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni/Umineko no Naku Koro Ni

Why wouldn't it repeat? The others did. And according to the desciption, the series takes place over a period of 2 days. We're already on the second day! So it's either going to be a very short series, or it's going to start repeating.

As for the clues, I went into the series blind. I didn't look it up before I started watching it.

Path · « **Reply #59 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:23:33 PM »

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:36:39 PM

I had no idea this was the next season of Higurashi. No wonder there's been so much talk of it intertwined with everything. How was I supposed to know? With a name like Umineko no Naku Koro ni... I sure in hell don't see "Higurashi" in that.

This isn't the "next season" of Higurashi, unless I've missed a memo somewhere; it's based on different VN setting entirely. That said, the link should be obvious; even if you don't speak a single word of Japanese, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni is fairly similar to Umineko no Naku Koro Ni.

Quote from: dbml on July 09, 2009, 07:36:39 PM

I'm so pissed now. I never would've started watching this if I had known. Sorry, but watching the same event over and over with different viewpoints is stupid and repetitive as hell. The ONLY way it can work is if there's two viewpoints in total. One from the main guy... and one from the killer. That's it! Every other viewpoint is shit.

It's a shame that you feel that way, because that device was one of the strong points of Higurashi (especially seeing as the main intrigue was asinine and deeply disappointing).

Quote from: queenmetroid on July 09, 2009, 07:38:33 PM

I went and watched this after seeing this thread, and I have to say that I think this could be a decent series. The premise is good, and even though you can see what's coming a mile away, this might turn out all right. I'm not really getting the same Higurashi vibe, but perhaps it will get better as it goes on. Hopefull I'll develop some empathy for the characters.

This is about as cliché as it can get (I guess we're missing the landed English gentry, but really); the whole show is, so far, essentially a mire of old mystery devices, with a few nods to the occult. Even a fan of said mysteries would surely balk at this.

Quote from: queenmetroid on July 09, 2009, 07:38:33 PM

And I don't think the girl has annoying noises. They fit her stupid insecure character rather well.

I admire your strength of will, if not your obvious lack of sanity