Author Topic: Bakemonogatari (Read 146514 times)

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #100 on:** August 06, 2009, 01:29:40 AM »

Quote from: Borror0 on August 05, 2009, 09:52:04 PM

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on August 05, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
thats the downside of anime:
its not real.
Do you mean that the character are not realistic or the vampire/kami/ghost thing?

I mean hot girls with perfect attitudes. . .

or girls that are actually god/time warps/or keys to auto-evolution.
dammit they dont exist. . .

Havoc10K · « **Reply #101 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:39:04 AM »

girls like her in terms of personality do exist, however unlike in anime/manga it's rather hard to find because they pretend a lot better so it's difficult to notice.

as an example l'd like to call for Fate/Stay Night VN HF arc with Sakura, those that played know what l mean, what l'd like to relate is that she pretended to alright for years, and if it wasn't for the war Shirou would have never noticed, there is always a trigger to uncovering the real personality, l met such girls with scars often, it's not easy to deal with them wich is one of the reasons they hide.

but there is plenty of this type of girls l assure you, thats the reason why such personalities are being often used in anime and mangas.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #102 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:08:26 AM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on August 06, 2009, 07:39:04 AM

girls like her in terms of personality do exist, however unlike in anime/manga it's rather hard to find because they pretend a lot better so it's difficult to notice.

as an example l'd like to call for Fate/Stay Night VN HF arc with Sakura, those that played know what l mean, what l'd like to relate is that she pretended to alright for years, and if it wasn't for the war Shirou would have never noticed, there is always a trigger to uncovering the real personality, l met such girls with scars often, it's not easy to deal with them wich is one of the reasons they hide.

but there is plenty of this type of girls l assure you, thats the reason why such personalities are being often used in anime and mangas.

i know. . .but its hard to find em with such looks also.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #103 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:10:31 AM »

not really, it's rather the reverse, you just have to be observant, l know what l'm talking about, tough l didn't even look l found a few strolling in the park a few years back. Really not hard to find at all.

darkjedi · « **Reply #104 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:58:36 AM »

Quote from: Borror0 on August 06, 2009, 01:19:56 AM

Really? Has not been my experience.

I mean, none has been as destructive and witty as her but that type of personality really exists... too often for my tastes...

Ah, really? I didn't really meet anyone who is as 'tsundere' as she is now due to a really 'tragic' experience. Most girls now are narcissistic and sensitive in a bad way because of their 'princess syndrome', not due to depression or tragedy. As I've said, most girls nowadays are too sheltered to be good girlfriends.

In short, there are too many girls who are too dumb for my taste; I really need a girl who is sensitive in a good way, who immediately knows what I think or what I feel in a certain situation, not a stupid girl who I constantly have to tell what the hell my problem is, what the hell I don't like, etc. etc. I want a girl who can analyze me by herself without me spoon-feeding her, just like what Senjougahara is to Araragi.

Borror0 · « **Reply #105 on:** August 06, 2009, 09:35:16 AM »

Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 08:58:36 AM

Ah, really? I didn't really meet anyone who is as 'tsundere' as she is now due to a really 'tragic' experience. Most girls now are narcissistic and sensitive in a bad way because of their 'princess syndrome', not due to depression or tragedy.

Rape victims are the most common to be that way but careless parents, loneliness and profound betrayal lead to that, too.

For a reason I have yet to discover, girls tend to open up quite a lot with me. I have had friends that told me part of their lives they never shared with the boyfriend they were with for years. I think that most simply hide it too well. Clever girls who live through hard challenges hide it well, so well you're never going to be able to tell unless they trust you freaking a lot. I am speaking from experience here because I would have never been able to tell about all the stories that I heard...

People go through a lot but we just never know.

How many suicides end up with a "I would have never been able to tell"? How many times does a husband goes insane and the neighbor or family said "They looked like an happy family"? How many rape victims did you know in high school? Statistically, 12% of the girls you met from 14 to 19 years old have been raped at least once and that does not include the boys. You've probably met more than you realized. How many girls suffered from violent parents or never received love from their family and are scarred because of that?

I think we'll both agree that the list is longer than we think it is.

I would say, pick any princess with a killer intelligence and she'll have her story to tell. It might be child abuse, rape, loneliness or violent parents. But, I am sure, she will have her story to tell. Thing is, will she ever share it?

And, yes, I agree, girls like Senjougahara are indeed the 'perfect girlfriend'.

darkjedi · « **Reply #106 on:** August 06, 2009, 09:53:58 AM »

Quote from: Borror0 on August 06, 2009, 09:35:16 AM

Statistically, 12% of the girls you met from 14 to 19 years old have been raped at least once

That's... a bit high, don't you think. Unless you talk about incest rapes. >_>

For the record, I've been living my entire life in the Eastern Hemisphere. I wouldn't know how things go on in the West. People in Iran or South Korea or Papua New Guinea or the Philippines usually don't think of planning to have sex or rape anyone any time soon while they are busy living their rudimentary lifestyle. Sex is given very small considerations by most people here. Not only that, but they are also very conservative, traditional, or religious. They just don't have the motivation to think about sexual stuff.

I mean seriously, do you expect me to believe that a hundred girls among a thousand girls that I've been schoolmates with are really rape victims? That's just crazy. Fucking crazy.

And most of them are contented with the kind of conservative/traditional/religious lifestyle they have. They don't deal with drugs, fraternity, or even video games or 'geekdom' very often. Some girls do drink and smoke, but that's about it; they are otherwise raised straight, albeit in a crooked direction. I'm pretty sure that none of the 20 girl students who I share classroom with right now ever had a sexual experience. Proof? They are still immature. They didn't really experience something that's truly hurtful. A sheltered lifestyle, once again; raised blind to the liberalism of the Westerners.

Borror0 · « **Reply #107 on:** August 06, 2009, 10:30:43 AM »

We're getting off topic here.

Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 09:53:58 AM

That's... a bit high, don't you think.

I am trying to find a credible online source that is in English but it's quite hard.

My source comes from my sociology class that I had in college so it's fairly reliable. Well, for rape statistics that is. Rape satistics are always an estimation since a huge percentage of those are not reported.

Once, I was shopping one of my friends, who happen to be a rape victim and she became totally white, raise her hand, pointed at a guy and said "It's him." From there, we could have taken actions but she didn't. she would have had to appear in front of court, retell the story in front of strangers, etc. It's too much of an experience just to take revenge, for most of them.

Anyway, the estimated statistics are 12% of women were victims and 12% were victims of rape attempts.

Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 09:53:58 AM

For the record, I've been living my entire life in the Eastern Hemisphere.

That changes things quite a bit. Even for Western countries, United States and Canada have the highest rape rates.

Also, since you're not from a Western country, it changes things quite a bit. What is true of North America or Europe does not necessarily apply to you.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #108 on:** August 06, 2009, 05:49:53 PM »

l'm affraid Boror is quite corect in his statements, girls won't tell their story to someone who can't listen well, it's rare for a guy to listen, and about this kind of stuff the ytend to stay away from girls, my current girlfriend went through some problems and l helped her solve the most of them, l dunno how she wil lfurther develop herself but l'm probably just like Boror, girls do open to me rather often, l think it's about some sort of aura and atmosphere of someone who wil llisten but will not pity you that they think about me and l usually end up giving hints to what to do, which end up being quite hard solutions but they work most of the time, otherwise no change or just small change, but when you do meet such a girl do not ever pity her, they hate that, they don't seek consolation but protection and help, pitying them only hurts them more.

in Myself;Yourself one of those girls in a perfect example, hell even in Clannad there is one, or maybe two (havent played the game yet)
the worst thing you can do is pity them, they pitied themselves for a long time they don;t need anyone else to do that.

12% .... hmmm l don't think it's high at all, actually it could be even too low in some areas,

80% rapes aren't even reported out of shame, if not more, abuse and violence is most often but girls that go through such things tend to grow stronger unless the break, if so thats the end of them usually.

l could go on with this but l'm starting to feel sad so l'll stop here.

quekmeister · « **Reply #109 on:** August 06, 2009, 05:56:24 PM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on August 06, 2009, 05:49:53 PM

12% .... hmmm l don't think it's high at all, actually it could be even too low in some areas,

80% rapes aren't even reported out of shame, if not more, abuse and violence is most often but girls that go through such things tend to grow stronger unless the break, if so thats the end of them usually.

I find statistics like this difficult to swallow, how would one know the proportion of unreported incidents if they're unreported?

That aside, this discussion should be taken over to the General Discussions board. Bakemonogatari talk only please.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #110 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:27:43 PM »

guys enough about reality. . .
lets get back into bakemonogatari

quekmeister · « **Reply #111 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:12:58 PM »

So I've just watched episode 3 (yes, welcome to two weeks ago, me), and I'll be damned if this isn't one of the most uniquely entertaining series I've watched. The dialogue has serious wit infused into it, like Horo and Lawrence in the present day. The bits with Mayoi at the end was hilarious. Ah, Hiroshi Kamiya in two SHAFT series this season, I'm happy, not to mention Chiwa Saito does an amazing job with her moderated yet cutting tones as Senjougahara.

Borror0 · « **Reply #112 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:18:20 PM »

Quote from: quekmeister on August 06, 2009, 07:12:58 PM

So I've just watched episode 3 (yes, welcome to two weeks ago, me), and I'll be damned if this isn't one of the most uniquely entertaining series I've watched. The dialogue has serious wit infused into it, like Horo and Lawrence in the present day. The bits with Mayoi at the end was hilarious. Ah, Hiroshi Kamiya in two SHAFT series this season, I'm happy, not to mention Chiwa Saito does an amazing job with her moderated yet cutting tones as Senjougahara.

Two weeks behind? No idea how you could do that. I think I have watched each five episodes at least three times because I could not get enough.

It's, so far, the second best anime I have ever seen after ef.

quekmeister · « **Reply #113 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Borror0 on August 06, 2009, 07:18:20 PM

Two weeks behind? No idea how you could do that. I think I have watched each five episodes at least three times because I could not get enough.

Self control and the desire to download each episode once and only once. That said I watched the first two episodes several times each. Besides, it's not like I don't have other things to watch. Just things which aren't nearly as entertaining. $:-\$

I don't think you can really compare this with ef, besides the fact that they're both by SHAFT and Akiyuki Shinbo. However I can see that most SHAFT productions have a unique kind of charm about them, at least the past few that I've watched. I really can't wait for next season's Dance in the Vampire Bund. It's been a long time since Shinbo's worked on anything this serious.

The best anime overall for me is probably Natsume Yuujinchou.

darkjedi · « **Reply #114 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:59:21 PM »

The 6th episode's supposed to air today or tomorrow, right?

Borror0 · « **Reply #115 on:** August 07, 2009, 12:01:33 AM »

From gg's blog:

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This week: Episode 5 will air.
Next week: Episode 6 will air only on MBS. A “Special Program” will air on the other stations.
Week after next week: Episode 6 will air again on the stations had a special.
Week after the week after next week: Episode 7 will air.

tl;dr = There is no new episode airing August 14th/15th, don’t expect any subs to be released.

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #116 on:** August 07, 2009, 02:26:37 AM »

Noooooooo!!!

A week without my loli ghost fix.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #117 on:** August 07, 2009, 05:24:51 AM »

Quote from: quekmeister on August 06, 2009, 07:12:58 PM

So I've just watched episode 3 (yes, welcome to two weeks ago, me), and I'll be damned if this isn't one of the most uniquely entertaining series I've watched. The dialogue has serious wit infused into it, like Horo and Lawrence in the present day. The bits with Mayoi at the end was hilarious. Ah, Hiroshi Kamiya in two SHAFT series this season, I'm happy, not to mention Chiwa Saito does an amazing job with her moderated yet cutting tones as Senjougahara.

indeed it will become on my top list l think, very entertaining, l havent seen the funny faces drawn like that in a while, and the story is deepening a lot, l had a lot of laugh on ep3 and ep4, especially when she bit him tha twas damn funny, or when he was so proud when he beat her till she passed out hahahah, l was a bit "WTF" when she told him she can't see her, that was weird but it all ended up quite amusing ;]

l'm gonna keep an eye on this one ;]

darkjedi · « **Reply #118 on:** August 07, 2009, 05:34:45 AM »

I squirmed when he squeezed her boobs.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #119 on:** August 07, 2009, 06:04:05 AM »

Quote from: darkjedi on August 07, 2009, 05:34:45 AM

I squirmed when he squeezed her boobs.

but that was very funny, when the ystarted to argue about that, btw she wears cute panties ;]

l also liked the way their relationship developed, shes is bound not to hide the fact that she can or cannot see what he does, and she smiled really nice, mhmhm that was a really nice smile ^_^