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Borror0:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 08:58:36 AM ---Ah, really? I didn't really meet anyone who is as 'tsundere' as she is now due to a really 'tragic' experience. Most girls now are narcissistic and sensitive in a bad way because of their 'princess syndrome', not due to depression or tragedy.
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Rape victims are the most common to be that way but careless parents, loneliness and profound betrayal lead to that, too.
For a reason I have yet to discover, girls tend to open up quite a lot with me. I have had friends that told me part of their lives they never shared with the boyfriend they were with for years. I think that most simply hide it too well. Clever girls who live through hard challenges hide it well, so well you're never going to be able to tell unless they trust you freaking a lot. I am speaking from experience here because I would have never been able to tell about all the stories that I heard...
People go through a lot but we just never know.
How many suicides end up with a "I would have never been able to tell"? How many times does a husband goes insane and the neighbor or family said "They looked like an happy family"? How many rape victims did you know in high school? Statistically, 12% of the girls you met from 14 to 19 years old have been raped at least once and that does not include the boys. You've probably met more than you realized. How many girls suffered from violent parents or never received love from their family and are scarred because of that?
I think we'll both agree that the list is longer than we think it is.
I would say, pick any princess with a killer intelligence and she'll have her story to tell. It might be child abuse, rape, loneliness or violent parents. But, I am sure, she will have her story to tell. Thing is, will she ever share it?
And, yes, I agree, girls like Senjougahara are indeed the 'perfect girlfriend'.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: Borror0 on August 06, 2009, 09:35:16 AM ---Statistically, 12% of the girls you met from 14 to 19 years old have been raped at least once
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That's... a bit high, don't you think. Unless you talk about incest rapes. >_>
For the record, I've been living my entire life in the Eastern Hemisphere. I wouldn't know how things go on in the West. People in Iran or South Korea or Papua New Guinea or the Philippines usually don't think of planning to have sex or rape anyone any time soon while they are busy living their rudimentary lifestyle. Sex is given very small considerations by most people here. Not only that, but they are also very conservative, traditional, or religious. They just don't have the motivation to think about sexual stuff.
I mean seriously, do you expect me to believe that a hundred girls among a thousand girls that I've been schoolmates with are really rape victims? That's just crazy. Fucking crazy.
And most of them are contented with the kind of conservative/traditional/religious lifestyle they have. They don't deal with drugs, fraternity, or even video games or 'geekdom' very often. Some girls do drink and smoke, but that's about it; they are otherwise raised straight, albeit in a crooked direction. I'm pretty sure that none of the 20 girl students who I share classroom with right now ever had a sexual experience. Proof? They are still immature. They didn't really experience something that's truly hurtful. A sheltered lifestyle, once again; raised blind to the liberalism of the Westerners.
Borror0:
We're getting off topic here. :P
--- Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 09:53:58 AM ---That's... a bit high, don't you think.
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I am trying to find a credible online source that is in English but it's quite hard.
My source comes from my sociology class that I had in college so it's fairly reliable. Well, for rape statistics that is. Rape satistics are always an estimation since a huge percentage of those are not reported.
Once, I was shopping one of my friends, who happen to be a rape victim and she became totally white, raise her hand, pointed at a guy and said "It's him." From there, we could have taken actions but she didn't. she would have had to appear in front of court, retell the story in front of strangers, etc. It's too much of an experience just to take revenge, for most of them.
Anyway, the estimated statistics are 12% of women were victims and 12% were victims of rape attempts.
--- Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 09:53:58 AM ---For the record, I've been living my entire life in the Eastern Hemisphere.
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That changes things quite a bit. Even for Western countries, United States and Canada have the highest rape rates.
Also, since you're not from a Western country, it changes things quite a bit. What is true of North America or Europe does not necessarily apply to you.
Havoc10K:
l'm affraid Boror is quite corect in his statements, girls won't tell their story to someone who can't listen well, it's rare for a guy to listen, and about this kind of stuff the ytend to stay away from girls, my current girlfriend went through some problems and l helped her solve the most of them, l dunno how she wil lfurther develop herself but l'm probably just like Boror, girls do open to me rather often, l think it's about some sort of aura and atmosphere of someone who wil llisten but will not pity you that they think about me and l usually end up giving hints to what to do, which end up being quite hard solutions but they work most of the time, otherwise no change or just small change, but when you do meet such a girl do not ever pity her, they hate that, they don't seek consolation but protection and help, pitying them only hurts them more.
in Myself;Yourself one of those girls in a perfect example, hell even in Clannad there is one, or maybe two (havent played the game yet)
the worst thing you can do is pity them, they pitied themselves for a long time they don;t need anyone else to do that.
12% .... hmmm l don't think it's high at all, actually it could be even too low in some areas,
80% rapes aren't even reported out of shame, if not more, abuse and violence is most often but girls that go through such things tend to grow stronger unless the break, if so thats the end of them usually.
l could go on with this but l'm starting to feel sad so l'll stop here.
quekmeister:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on August 06, 2009, 05:49:53 PM ---12% .... hmmm l don't think it's high at all, actually it could be even too low in some areas,
80% rapes aren't even reported out of shame, if not more, abuse and violence is most often but girls that go through such things tend to grow stronger unless the break, if so thats the end of them usually.
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I find statistics like this difficult to swallow, how would one know the proportion of unreported incidents if they're unreported?
That aside, this discussion should be taken over to the General Discussions board. Bakemonogatari talk only please.
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