Author Topic: Google Chrome OS (Read 8949 times)

fohfoh · « **Reply #40 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:33:52 AM »

Quote from: bloody000 on July 09, 2009, 03:24:47 AM

You know, there are companies that are actually killing people.... Monsanto for example.
Seriously, if you think Microsoft is one of the most evil companies you need to get out of the fucking dungeon.

MOnsanto is fucking retarded. No idea on economics either.

dankles · « **Reply #41 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:14:01 AM »

Quote from: bloody000 on July 09, 2009, 03:24:47 AM

You know, there are companies that are actually killing people.... Monsanto for example.
Seriously, if you think Microsoft is one of the most evil companies you need to get out of the fucking dungeon.

I lived in some of the poorest countries in the world ... I've seen some of the worst of the worst things... Do you know how bad human flesh smells after rotting in 40C tropical weather under the sun for 3 days straight? I hope you don't.
Many of the bad things I saw is a result of bad mega corporations. Secrets that you won't see on the news. My overly stated point is that I'm well aware of the terrible calamity caused by many Mega Corps much more evil than M$. But this is a technology forum so i try to keep my posts technology related

EDIT:
Though the topic of technology and its politics is of particular interest to someone like me because I'm an IT guy and thus my livelihood depends on this field.

queenmetroid · « **Reply #42 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:21:01 AM »

*mutters something incoherent and inflammatory about Linus Torvald being a penguin killer or something*

In any case, for the record, I will not be using Google's OS in any form.

dankles · « **Reply #43 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:29:29 AM »

*murmurs on about Steve Ballmer throwing chairs at people, maybe at little kids...*

Microsloth doesn't love you.

iindigo · « **Reply #44 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:48:08 AM »

If all it can run is those crappy web apps, I'm not gonna touch it. I'll keep my applications local, thank you very much.

Carnivus · « **Reply #45 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:15:28 AM »

I use Google Chrome and I don't have any complains...but the OS sounds dull.My guess is that it will be like Windows Vista Home.

higaara · « **Reply #46 on:** July 12, 2009, 05:09:13 PM »

My 2 cents:
Chrome OS sounds somewhat intriguing, but at the same time very unimaginative. If the future of computing are simply just web apps, then count me as unimpressed.

I also think that Chrome OS is heading in the wrong direction. I don't understand why Google is making an OS for netbooks and notebook/desktop computers when the future of computing is clearly going in the direction of the smartphone (and similar devices). The netbook will likely stick around as a niche, and we may get some new computer platforms that will pop up (like the rumoured tablet slate computer from Apple), but I just don't see them gaining anywhere as much ground as pocketable internet capable devices. Not to mention that this market will give hardly any money to Google (netbooks are priced low and Google will be giving away their OS).

Interesting reads:
John Gruber has a no-nonsense writeup on what we actually know about Chrome OS.
Anil Dash talks about how Google's public perception is very similar to Microsoft's when they were an up and coming company.

fohfoh · « **Reply #47 on:** July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 PM »

That's because a netbook OS is the MEDIUM by which smart phone OSes draw their power and apps from. Not to mention Google already has Android. Google OS will provide software which can be slowly chopped down to fit onto a smart phone OS like Android.

dankles · « **Reply #48 on:** July 12, 2009, 06:22:07 PM »

Also, being that it's built on the linux kernel, I'd assume that linux apps will compile just fine on Chrome OS so long as the gnu tool set works on it or that there are work-arounds (like going from linux to BSD, etc).
My point being that Chrome OS will have quite the shelf of software for it aside from webapps.

PS:
Desktop PC's are here to stay for a much longer time. I don't see my self removing my workstation for many years to come.

iindigo · « **Reply #49 on:** July 12, 2009, 06:48:35 PM »

Quote from: dankles on July 12, 2009, 06:22:07 PM

Also, being that it's built on the linux kernel, I'd assume that linux apps will compile just fine on Chrome OS so long as the gnu tool set works on it or that there are work-arounds (like going from linux to BSD, etc).
My point being that Chrome OS will have quite the shelf of software for it aside from webapps.

PS:
Desktop PC's are here to stay for a much longer time. I don't see my self removing my workstation for many years to come.

That's assuming they keep X11. They may opt for their own simplified window manager that has theming built in (instead of being a clip-on like with KDE or Gnome).

dankles · « **Reply #50 on:** July 12, 2009, 07:11:30 PM »

Quote from: iindigo on July 12, 2009, 06:48:35 PM

That's assuming they keep X11. They may opt for their own simplified window manager that has theming built in (instead of being a clip-on like with KDE or Gnome).

That would be nice actaully. UNIX needs a very big upgrade when it comes to windowing. X11 isn't so bad though, especially now that it's becoming more integrated with the kernel.
But I really do think there needs to be ALOT more unification when it comes to windowing though. Having GTK/gnome, Qt/KDE, wx, tcl/tk all loaded into memory at the same time is just ridiculous and stupid and a waste. Sometimes choice is good, but when it comes to this, choice turns into a major pain in the butt.

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 12, 2009, 08:43:19 PM »

There's not a chance in hell that Google will use something other than X or one of it's lightweight derivatives. To do so would require far too much needless effort for a product which won,t be generating much revenue.

higaara · « **Reply #52 on:** July 12, 2009, 11:48:36 PM »

Quote from: sdedalus83 on July 12, 2009, 08:43:19 PM

There's not a chance in hell that Google will use something other than X or one of it's lightweight derivatives. To do so would require far too much needless effort for a product which won,t be generating much revenue.

Nope, Google's building a new windowing system. From their blog post:

Quote from: Official Google Blog

The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. (my emphasis)

I think it makes a lot of sense. If Chrome OS is really centered around web apps, then X isn't suitable.

Quote from: fohfoh on July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 PM

That's because a netbook OS is the MEDIUM by which smart phone OSes draw their power and apps from.

I disagree. I don't know of any examples of what you're saying. The BlackBerry OS was made and delivered long before netbooks showed up. The iPhone OS came out a year before netbooks came out as well. Both are very successful smartphone operating systems that have no relatives in the netbook category.

Quote from: fohfoh on July 12, 2009, 05:11:35 PM

Not to mention Google already has Android. Google OS will provide software which can be slowly chopped down to fit onto a smart phone OS like Android.

But making an OS like Chrome OS doesn't aid in that endeavor. If Chrome OS is about web apps (which its name strongly suggests), then how does that apply to Android, which uses Java for its application development?

Furthermore, wouldn't it be better to take the resources that are being put into Chrome OS and instead apply it to Android? Splintering work and effort to make two operating systems that will be competing against each other seems a little... rash.

bloody000 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 13, 2009, 12:51:38 AM »

If they are truly web apps they will work on most browsers. But I can't see them being overly useful.

UMMX · « **Reply #54 on:** July 13, 2009, 01:00:21 AM »

If Google wants to make an OS let them... I am tried of Explorer crashing and SP updates. If google can make one that doesn't need all that good for them.

AceHigh · « **Reply #55 on:** July 13, 2009, 06:49:44 AM »

Google as OS.... don't like the idea considering their unhealthy interest for surveilance

Lupin · « **Reply #56 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:44:27 PM »

I hope they took notes from Apple when they start designing the UI. Google sucks at designing anything other than a logo and and a search bar.

Quote from: dankles on July 12, 2009, 07:11:30 PM

That would be nice actaully. UNIX needs a very big upgrade when it comes to windowing. X11 isn't so bad though, especially now that it's becoming more integrated with the kernel.
But I really do think there needs to be ALOT more unification when it comes to windowing though. Having GTK/gnome, Qt/KDE, wx, tcl/tk all loaded into memory at the same time is just ridiculous and stupid and a waste. Sometimes choice is good, but when it comes to this, choice turns into a major pain in the butt.

Very true.

fohfoh · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2009, 01:20:25 AM »

Sorry I should clarify.

@Higaara: What I meant was that in the future, Smartphones will take apps from netbooks and netbooks will be phased out. (Turning instead into smart phones). I think that for whatever reason, the Vaio P has caught the eye of Google. Though we may see it as a failure and not like it, it shows something. Something smaller than a netbook can run full OSes, and not old and low requirement OSes like XP. (Indeed since Vaio P's came originally running Vista, then came with a XP downgrade and... expect a full utilization of Windows 7.) Did I mention that Vaio P had some partnership with Corel for something called the InstantON or something?

At first glance this device seems uninteresting. Then when you take a closer look, it's absolutely moves technology in certain directions.

At the size it is at and resolution, it sits in a size smaller than a netbook, but bigger than a smart device. It also makes use of a full OS. Absolutely it shows a beginning of higher computational power in smaller devices AND it shows that netbooks are going to be obsolete very soon. (Netbooks seems to be restricted a bit more in comparison to the Vaio P, and they're all copies of the original netbook). It's going to push for more use from smart phones, and also proper and higher requirement from "ultraportables" in terms of size, power and usability.

Expect to see more ultraportable laptops to show up where you can actually carry easily and properly in your pocket or bag unlike current net books. (Like this Vaio P example). Now, this is where Google wants to come in. Netbooks might either merge with Smartphones, or they might phase out due to smaller computers running full OSes. However, while Android is going to be built based on smart phone basic technology, Google OS might be designed to sit in that gap to see which side Google will slide to. (Smart Phone or ultraportables) Netbooks as we know it are going to be gone soon.

But it's also hard to say and it also seems a little brash. Anyone else see the article about Acers putting Android as dual boot on netbooks with XP (soon to be phased out by the windows 7 netbooks)

Don't get me wrong though, the Vaio P is absolutely overpriced. Functions aren't as smooth as I would like it. Would I buy one? No. Would I accept one for free even if I wasn't allowed to sell it? Probably. Do I think the Vaio P is super amazing, hardcore and going to give everyone else a run for their money? No. But I do truly believe that the Vaio P is going to spur a type of R&D phase for 2010 and beyond for ultra portables(not "netbooks"). Just like Apple did with the iPhone (and all those samsung look alikes).

Netbooks are for basic computational use, but now with increased capabilities in smaller form... netbooks are going to look obsolete as soon as the recession blows over. Expect more "netbook-esque" apps and OSes and use in smartphones in a few years and netbooks to be running up to date OSes ranging from Linux, windows and even "hackintosh" (unless Apple releases the iPortable or something).

dankles · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:03:02 AM »

Some dumb ass at the NY times just posted this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/opinion/13cringely.html?_r=1

He believes that competition amongst MS and Google is a bad thing for Corps and the End User..... Fallacy.... I don't know why I even read it because we all know that journalists are morons.

queenmetroid · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:17:46 AM »

Quote from: dankles on July 14, 2009, 02:03:02 AM

Some dumb ass at the NY times just posted this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/opinion/13cringely.html?_r=1

He believes that competition amongst MS and Google is a bad thing for Corps and the End User..... Fallacy.... I don't know why I even read it because we all know that journalists are morons.

I don't see that at all.

"...but in the end none of this is likely to make a real difference for either company or, indeed, for consumers." He's not saying it's bad at all, just that it's there.