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Democrats want to separate the rich, from the very rich.
August Osari:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 21, 2009, 01:44:35 PM ---Here's a stupid statement. On what are you determining standard of living? Homeownership? We're 3rd or 4th in the world despite our considerably larger population. Median income? 2nd only to Switzerland. The gay UN Human Development Index? 15th.
You want to take over General Motors and do a better job? Care to handle that kind've pressure? 20 bucks says you're under 20 years old.
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Why is it gay? Because it places your country in 15th when it should clearly be 1st just because it's AMERICA, right? You also cherry-picked your statistics, there, and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even realize it.
Also, you're a complete idiot if you actually think the guys at the top of General Motors have the power you're implying--it's not that easy to fix something once you've already smashed it to bits. Pressure? You're naive if you think people with power feel any pressure--so long as they keep a lot of money and power in the end, they're satisfied, and... oh, hey, you're handing that money and power over to them without question!
As far as my age goes, it's pretty much irrelevant. Twenty, thirty, forty, fifty... Actually, if anything, I'd be less likely to do a good job as I get older since I'd have less time left to feel the repercussions of my mistakes. Maybe you should have taken a shot at my education instead?
sdedalus83:
The point is that comparing the HDI of the US to any one of those 14, aside from Canada, France and Japan, is meaningless. They're all small, ethnically and culturally homogeneous countries with simple economies, no population growth, and no immigration.
It would be like comparing the working conditions in a moderately sized law firm to the average conditions at GE.
mgz:
--- Quote from: sdedalus83 on July 22, 2009, 01:28:49 PM ---The point is that comparing the HDI of the US to any one of those 14, aside from Canada, France and Japan, is meaningless. They're all small, ethnically and culturally homogeneous countries with simple economies, no population growth, and no immigration.
It would be like comparing the working conditions in a moderately sized law firm to the average conditions at GE.
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obviously the GE guys will be way better off right ??
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vicious796:
--- Quote from: August Osari on July 22, 2009, 04:21:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 21, 2009, 01:44:35 PM ---Here's a stupid statement. On what are you determining standard of living? Homeownership? We're 3rd or 4th in the world despite our considerably larger population. Median income? 2nd only to Switzerland. The gay UN Human Development Index? 15th.
You want to take over General Motors and do a better job? Care to handle that kind've pressure? 20 bucks says you're under 20 years old.
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Why is it gay? Because it places your country in 15th when it should clearly be 1st just because it's AMERICA, right? You also cherry-picked your statistics, there, and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even realize it.
Also, you're a complete idiot if you actually think the guys at the top of General Motors have the power you're implying--it's not that easy to fix something once you've already smashed it to bits. Pressure? You're naive if you think people with power feel any pressure--so long as they keep a lot of money and power in the end, they're satisfied, and... oh, hey, you're handing that money and power over to them without question!
As far as my age goes, it's pretty much irrelevant. Twenty, thirty, forty, fifty... Actually, if anything, I'd be less likely to do a good job as I get older since I'd have less time left to feel the repercussions of my mistakes. Maybe you should have taken a shot at my education instead?
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No, it's gay to compare standards of living as a whole from a country/countries with populations less than that of one of our major cities. It's the same as incorporating universal healthcare for 30 million people as opposed to 300 million people, population is everything. The HDI from the UN heavily favors nations with free University as well as a socialized medicinal sector. The reason the US is as high as 15th on that list lies solely in our GDP as, in my personal opinion, it is impossible for us to finance a nation-wide federally financed healthcare system. Further education is a different matter than what we're discussing but that would also present a difficult situation with the vast number of "public" Universities in the United States and the amount of money it takes to keep them running.
For a truely "fair" comparison you need to compare countries in Europe to individual states in the United States. You will see, in that type of comparison, we vary by state in a similar fashion to how the countries of Europe vary. The United States as a whole is more diverse in population than any 1 European nation, maybe not by a percentage base (though I'd be surprised if one was) but definately by raw number.
It's like Fire Testing, what I do for a living. Sure, a small scale test may look fantastic but when you take it to a full scale test you throw in 1000 variables the small scale didn't have. What passes in one may not pass on another. If you throw in more material you throw in more risk of flaw.
I also wasn't referring to being 15th as a bad thing, it's far... far... far away from the bottom.
To go back to the taking over GM thing, the CEO of one of those companies is responsible for the actions of his underlings and gives the final word on major decisions that can determine if said company lives or dies. GM was a monster that didn't do much in the ways of change and suffered for it when the country changed without them. The lack of innovation in the CEO prevented the rest of the company from changing. There are certain times when the best thing to do is nothing and just maintain the way a product is created and not change anything though. It takes intellect, education, and a ton of experience to know when to do these things. This is why I attacked your age, your post screams of a lack of experience.
Not saying I have much of my own at 23.
I didn't attack your education for several reasons. First, your post was actually well written. You understand what grammar and spelling are as well as how to use italics to better show your points. This does not come from an uneducated person. I called the comment stupid, not the poster. Also, by implying you're under 20, I imply that you most likely haven't graduated from a University and worked in the private or public sector. All leads back to experience, which comes with age and... well... experience.
Most of us are actually not calling for giving them more money, it's more along the lines of letting them keep more of the money they earned (by either making change to a company that would die without it or by maintaining the standard practices that allowed them to create a profit in the first place). To be responsible for a giant of a company like Ford, GM, or Chrysler, does put the pressure on you, especially now. Everything the CEOs of that company do is watched, reported, and scrutinized. They are under the weight of the heavy public eye. You walk into a position knowing that you employ thousands of individuals and pay for their family's well being in many cases. You can't say that these executives don't care about their employees, you don't know them personally. Even if they only care about themselves, it would tarnish their reputation and potentially exorcise them from the workforce if they were to destroy the lives of thousands of Americans by making a wrong move.
So, yes, I can say with a level of certainty that they are under pressure. They are at the end of the line when things go drastically wrong and are rarely recognized for when things go right - that's how our society works. We love to nail people for doing something wrong but rarely take the time to cheer for those who see success. Being under the magnifying glass of the mass media is pressure, in the extreme. Everything down to your personal life will be reported so you have to keep yourself in check almost 24 hours a day.
kyanwan:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 22, 2009, 02:24:08 PM ---No, it's gay to compare standards of living as a whole from a country/countries with populations less than that of one of our major cities.
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