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Democrats want to separate the rich, from the very rich.
Abrahamrpg:
Seems I am not the only one who has read the paper on how california could increase their (currently very bad) economy by legalizing marijuana and taxing it, vicious ;)
sapiens:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 29, 2009, 05:10:57 PM ---Cigarettes are taxed, have been taxed, and will continue to be taxed. I'm against the constant tax increase (they've raised cig taxes like 5 times in the last 3 years) against a minority that has no[/b] real representation in Congress.
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So, potheads and hookers would be fairly represented?
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However, I'd guess at least 35% of the nation smokes pot illegally right now.
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Aaaah. But, but, how can you know this?
I'd say 50% of the nation smokes and drinks illegally (underaged) and the other half do so legally.
--- Quote ---If you were to make pot legal - today - I'd like to say over half the nation would go out and buy a bag, if for no other reason than to say they did. Slap a ridiculous 10-20% luxury tax on it and people will still pay for it.
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So, pot is made legal today, and within ten years it displaces cigarettes and then... you guessed it, we start with the constant tax increases! Yey!
What would the economic consequences of this be? What about the international scene?
Colombia suddenly goes bankrupt? California changes its economy to be marijuana-based?
--- Quote ---Prostitution is also something that is done illegally right now, why not tap into the market? If nothing else you can make prostitution safer for the hookers and the clients by putting in regulation to businessmen/women instead of pimps and old asian men who own "massage parlors" in Jersey. Mandatory STD tests for the hookers and safe sex practices are required. There is so much you can do to make this illegal act "safer" than it currently is.
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Prostitution isn't legal simply because it is perceived as a denigrating "job".
When it becomes an acceptable career path, and I mean with Community Colleges offering diplomas, then things may change.
Right now it seems you just want to implement some "quality control", so next time you aren't stuck with a transsexual dude.
vicious796:
--- Quote from: sapiens ---So, potheads and hookers would be fairly represented?
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No, which is sad, but that's a problem with the system we work with, not the legalization process.
--- Quote ---Aaaah. But, but, how can you know this?
I'd say 50% of the nation smokes and drinks illegally (underaged) and the other half do so legally.
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I used the word "guess" for a reason and I got that number by taking a look around me. I look at my workplace, my friends, my family, and news. By no means do all of them smoke pot but almost every single person I know has at least tried it. Alot of the people I know who don't do it anymore most certainly would if it were legal. I would also say that your number on underage drinkers/smokers is low.
--- Quote ---So, pot is made legal today, and within ten years it displaces cigarettes and then... you guessed it, we start with the constant tax increases! Yey!
What would the economic consequences of this be? What about the international scene?
Colombia suddenly goes bankrupt? California changes its economy to be marijuana-based?
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Two different products with two different responses to the human body. Alot of people who smoke pot also smoke cigarettes, at least the ones I know. They operate in the same market but are not competitors. I'd also say that Florida is in the best position to grow marijuana:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090730/us_time/08599191340100
Apparently, according to a History Channel show I was watching a couple weeks ago, Kentucky is real big into the weed growing also.
--- Quote ---Prostitution isn't legal simply because it is perceived as a denigrating "job".
When it becomes an acceptable career path, and I mean with Community Colleges offering diplomas, then things may change.
Right now it seems you just want to implement some "quality control", so next time you aren't stuck with a transsexual dude.
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I never said anything about it being acceptable or not, I said it currently isn't safe for either side. Things that are conducted illegally and in the shadows are illegal and in the shadows (There's a Madden-ism). You can't expect to know exactly what you're gonna get, transsexual dude is irrelevant, I'm talking about being shot and robbed or contracting an STD because you were drunk and thought it would be funny. Also, these women are fairly regularly abused and can't do anything about it as they're stuck in this downward spiral. I'm saying, that with proper regulation, it can be safer for them and the client.
You can make a legit business out of it with sound "ethics", just not Christian morals.
kyanwan:
If they're going to use "healthcare" as an excuse to raise taxes - tax the people who make themselves unhealthy. I'm all for it.
It's a voluntary tax IMO. If you don't want to pay it, don't use it.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and legalize pot. Tax the everloving shit out of it. Put an excise tax on junk food. Put an excise tax on fast food. Put an excise tax on cooking oils/fats.
vicious796:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on August 02, 2009, 06:29:16 AM ---If they're going to use "healthcare" as an excuse to raise taxes - tax the people who make themselves unhealthy. I'm all for it.
It's a voluntary tax IMO. If you don't want to pay it, don't use it.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and legalize pot. Tax the everloving shit out of it. Put an excise tax on junk food. Put an excise tax on fast food. Put an excise tax on cooking oils/fats.
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Yeah! You know, people dying also seems to raise the cost of healthcare, let's make a deathbed tax as well. On top of that, people in retirement homes are really just dead people walking and congregating, let's charge a retirement home tax also. While we're at it, we should tax the things they're doing with their money they've collecting off Social Security and/or government pensions from their husbands dying in WWII, let's tax bingo night, they're only drinking and putting plastic chips over numbers.
Then, let's make the prize money be automatically recorded as income and then we can tax them at the end of the year on it! Driving is also unhealthy so let's raise the taxes on gasoline some more, the people are willing to pay it! Sitting behind computers posting about the government when you could be out jogging is also unhealthy and doesn't help morale either... Internet tax. Tax cable, tax groceries, tax cell phone service.
But we're still all about CHANGE! Don't expect to see the normal tax and spend Democrats in this office! We should tax that slogan too.
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