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Democrats want to separate the rich, from the very rich.
mrjpark:
Don't forget the Retard Tax!
Stsin:
While Vicious talks about a 20-30% tax on newly legalized substances, recent tobacco tax has gone way overboard to it being silly to compare. Like said there's been taxes on it forever. But this last decade we've seen an increase from a percentage of the sales, to over TEN TIMES the cost of the product. There's gotta be a limit but none is in sight, since everyone is jumping in and grabbing this free money by adding their own tax to cover their failing budgets. It's like have a small $10 jar of coffee suddenly costing over $100. Surely taking advantage of an addiction.
So I do not believe in using Sin taxes to cover a bad budget that should not exist. Everyone should be held equally responsible instead of placing the burden on a minority. Because if it's only a few that pay, then there's a lack of initiative to repair it, with more consistently being voted in by the other majority not sharing such burden.
But there should be a tax on them, only if that money is to cover the expenses of distribution and controllment, also funding centers and medicine for those wanting to kick the habit. In otherwords, it has to be related to the costs of that substance, unlike what they've been doing to tobacco tax.
But sadly, this is not going to happen in the US. We are already accustomed to putting as much burden elsewhere as possible. Accepting no guilt with self made justifications, as long as someone else pays. In other countries, their tobacco taxes are used specifically to treat the extra burdens caused by it. Like smokers get more medical treatment, since after all they paid more. While the US consistently uses the health issue to raise such taxes, but none of those billions taken annually go specifically back to the smoker. No aids in quitting, no aid in medical treatment. Just used to fund some unrelated pork added by a politician to help him get re-elected.
back on topic: Same reason why increasing the tax on the rich is so appealing to many. We are inherently selfish within our own closed world. It's the age of irresponsibility .ie always someone elses fault and they should pay.
Btw smokers, check out the e-cigs. Using Blucigs now and it's much better than expected. Cheaper than tobacco and it's actually fun to use. With it being more convenient and cheaper now, I can tell that these are going to become really popular.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KEEvrNUaK0
Then can say FUCK YOU to the government and all those who keep supporting tax increases. Soon everyone will share the burden of billions of increased taxes ;)
relic2279:
--- Quote from: Stsin on August 14, 2009, 10:46:25 AM ---back on topic: Same reason why increasing the tax on the rich is so appealing to many. We are inherently selfish within our own closed world. It's the age of irresponsibility .ie always someone elses fault and they should pay.
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I'm not directing this at you Stsin, the above quote just brought some ideas into my head.
I want a severe increase on taxing the rich. Not because I want someone else to pay my way or anything even remotely like that, but because they're not paying enough. Back in the 50's and 60's, the tax rate was much, much higher then it is now. It has been continuing to drop and our economy has seen recession after recession ever since.
Take these stats for instance. List of countries and the taxes as % GDP: We're the number 1 country in the world economically, and our tax rate is incredibly low in comparison. Also note the highest taxed per GDP countries in the western world. Almost double ours. The top 5 like denmark, norway, belgium, sweden, france, italy all have the best standards of living in the world. Which also probably correlates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP
This thing about companies leaving if we raise our taxes is idiotic. All those countries are nearly double our tax rate, yet I don't see McDonalds or any other company up and leaving because of the tax rate. Propaganda...
Matter of fact, the countries with the highest tax rate's economic growth, on average, exceeded our own:
http://imgur.com/FVjGm.png
So I don't want to hear higher taxes will screw our economy. It's fucking nonsense. It's what will help FIX our economy...
Sosseres:
It depends on how you raise your taxes. Sweden is actually cheap for companies (though the employees are expensive due to the rules regarding retirement funds and so on) that is how the tax was laid out. People in general pay a lot here, the companies not as much.
DrmChsr0:
Speaking of taxing the very, very rich...
How do you force them to pay money? I mean, they'll just park their mad cash into tax havens.
Tax the corporations? They'll just move their headquarters to somewhere cheaper. Like Singapore, for instance. The rich love Singapore for being relatively light on taxes.
It's extremely hard to tax the filthy rich since they know how NOT to pay taxes. And we're forced to rely on them since even a hundred small-and-medium enterprises could take ages to integrate into the community.
It's just a lot better to hope the global economy dies from the current crisis since it'll most likely affect everyone.
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