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Offline mgz

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2009, 03:52:47 PM »
Call me nationalistic if you want, but I don't think it's a shameful thing to be proud of one's country's achievements, especially when they are good.  ;)

Nationalism is not a bad thing, but labelling it as superpower even in economical aspect just makes you look ignorantly biased.
hey someone else picked it up lol

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2009, 08:31:14 PM »
Nationalism is not a bad thing, but labelling it as superpower even in economical aspect just makes you look ignorantly biased.

That's basically the trademark quality of hard-line nationalists. They sometimes purposefully choose to forgo their countries' shortcomings in lieu of better achievements. (to satisfy their ego, obviously) Those patterns of thought are where the irrational behavior of most nationalists are coming from. It's like selective morality. When they are in their own countries they'll whine about the current state of politics/economy/affairs/anything else and how difficult things are for them and scream 'ALLAH AKBAR!' in their own president's face but when they meet foreigners they brag about how badass their countries are. You won't see Japanese or Americans or Europeans doing that a lot, but people from some other developed countries where just a decade before was a third-world country, they do. (Mexico, Brazil, China, South Korea) Some from third-world countries, even. (Iran?)


Try playing in Mexican or Brazilian servers for a while in UT3 or some other game. It doesn't happen that often, but it might in your lifetime. It usually starts with some random American dude coming in and owning everyone. Then they rage and, there it goes. I don't know how American dudes owning can lead to a 'political debate', but lol, you can't disconnect irrationalism from nationalism, ever.
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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2009, 06:58:40 AM »
Taiwan?  China's got a hell of a long way to go before its cost of labor is even close to Taiwan's.

Agreed. But the gap of the quality of the two (mainly due to the quality of the factories and not labour) is a big issue as well.

However. If China "gets too big" and too rich, all of a sudden we'll realize some type of weird capitalism in China... or would it be Oligarchy? Imagine also the labour they can easily get from other countries. (As Hong Kong already does)
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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2009, 07:55:14 AM »
or would it be Oligarchy?

China = Sparta? No way.

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2009, 08:02:33 AM »
or would it be Oligarchy?

China = Sparta? No way.

In any case, we've seen that China already shows characteristics of Capitalism and the fruits of capitalism. However, we've also seen USA take many steps in the direction of Socialism.

The future will be hard to determine.

I'm not sure about the trade relations regarding Canada and China, but it does seem that Canada seems to be in ok shape during this recession. Canada and China may walk out of this stronger. I'm not sure if the USA will be stronger after this recession, but at the very least they'll be back to what they were before.
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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2009, 05:37:48 AM »
IMF raises forecasts for Asia's economic growth
By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ , 10.29.09, 01:34 AM EDT

HONG KONG -- Asian economies from China to India will grow faster than expected through next year, far outpacing recoveries in the West, thanks to aggressive government stimulus spending and a pickup in global trade, the International Monetary Fund said Thursday.

But the region's rapid expansion will remain below the levels seen in the decade before the economic crisis as consumers in the U.S. and other large industrialized nations curtail their spending on Asian-made electronics, cars and other goods in the face of rising unemployment and other legacies of the downturn, the fund said in a report.

"Asia has not decoupled from the rest of the world," the IMF said, wading into a broader debate over whether the region's prospects hinge on the West. "In fact, Asia's fortunes remain closely tied to that of the global economy."

The fund raised its forecast for Asia, saying the broader regional economy that spans countries from New Zealand to India would grow 2.75 percent in 2009 and 5.75 percent in 2010. That's still below the average of 6.7 percent over the past decade. Both projections were about 1.5 percentage points stronger than those estimated by the fund in May.

Economies in the seven leading developed countries, meanwhile, were seen as shriveling by about 2.5 percent this year and growing only 1.25 percent next year.

Asian countries have been leading a recovery in the world economy, with growth accelerating since governments across the region loosened monetary policies and unleashed a torrent of spending to help shelter their companies and consumers from the drop-off in global trade and finance.

China's economy, the world's third largest, expanded at an 8.9 percent pace in the third quarter on the back of lavish government stimulus and bank lending. In South Korea, the economy grew last quarter at its fastest rate in over seven years.

Looking ahead, China was expected to outperform, its economy growing 8.5 percent in 2009 and 9 percent in 2010, the IMF said. Japan, the world's No. 2 economy, was set to contract 5.5 percent this year before turning around next year to grow 1.75 percent.

With only about half the region's stimulus carried out so far, government measures will continue to buoy local economies over the next several quarters, the IMF said.

Once the effects of these measures fade, however, Asia will ultimately need to find ways to make up for weaker demand in the West by increasing its local private consumption with the help of a broader social safety net and other reforms, the IMF said.

Over the longer run, the fund said Asian countries will have to let their currencies appreciate. China, for example, has long held down its currency, a practice that boosts demand for exports but which analysts say has contributed to economic imbalances that hinder broader and sustainable growth in the region.


China's large import of South Korean cars and semiconductors - in lieu of the U.S.'s and Japan's anemic automobile and electronics industry - helped South Korea escape recession early this year and score consecutive positive growths for two quarters. South Korean market's performance last quarter was especially impressive - due in no small part to China's huge volume of purchases. (+2.9% growth in GDP in 3 months)

Yes. We like China. We make good partners.

We like the U.S. and Japan too but we want them to grow again so that we won't be dragged down.

Now I'm back to watching Toradora again... @_@



Btw that article above said Korea is Asia's 5th largest economy. Is Russia included in the Asian market? (I always thought the ranking was China -> Japan -> India -> South Korea -> Indonesia)

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2009, 05:45:21 AM »
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Btw that article above said Korea is Asia's 5th largest economy. Is Russia included in the Asian market? (I always thought the ranking was China -> Japan -> India -> South Korea -> Indonesia


Japan -> China -> India ->  ??  --> S. Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

(People often forget India is considered part of Asia)

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2009, 05:48:17 AM »
I think it's Australia. But that's heresy. The purchasing power of the South Korean GDP is bigger than Australia's by 60%. CIA says so.  :(


India being part of Asia came naturally to me but Australia being part of Asia, no. I always thought Australia belonged to the West.

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Re: Crazy economic growth of China
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2009, 11:30:58 AM »
S Korea sees $3.79 bln trade surplus in Oct.
www.chinaview.cn 2009-11-01 19:46:21

SEOUL, Nov. 1 (Xinhua) -- South Korea posted 3.79 billion U.S. dollars of trade surplus in October, the Ministry of Knowledge Economy said in a report on Sunday.

    The figure stood in the black for the ninth consecutive month, with the total trade surplus during the first ten months of 2009 amounting to 34.58 billion dollars, the ministry said.

    But it slightly fell 0.92 billion dollars compared to 4.71 billion a month earlier mainly due to week imports, it added.

    The country saw exports post 34.02 billion dollars last month, down 8.3 percent on-year, while imports falling by 16.3 percent on-year, to 30.23 billion dollars over the same period, the ministry said.

    In exports, display panels and semiconductors saw a surge of 38.8 percent and 36.8 percent on year respectively, and overseas shipments of vehicles and mobile communications also logged a 24.1 percent and 30.1 percent growth respectively over the same period, while consumer electronics and ships fell 5.4 percent and 9.2 percent respectively, it said.

    In imports, the country purchased 52.4 million barrels of crude oil last month from 48.7 million barrels a month earlier, while imports of consumer goods increased 0.9 percent on-year from minus 6.2 percent in September.

    The ministry forecast that the trade surplus trend will be maintained in November, and if it kept this rate, the country's trade surplus is likely to stand above a record high of 40 billion U.S. dollars by the end of this year.


Yay. Thanks China.