Iranian jets - deathtrap

[darkjedi]

Iran's Sole AWACS Plane Rests in Pieces

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Iranian Military Planes Crashes in Annual Parade
By THOMAS NEWDICK
Published: 22 Sep 2009 18:49

TEHRAN - Iran's sole Simorgh AWACS aircraft was lost during a military parade Sept. 22, one of two Iranian military aircraft that crashed in Tehran while participating in a display to mark the anniversary of the start of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War.

The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force operated a single Simorgh, a former Iraqi Air Force Adnan. The Adnan AWACS was in turn a modification of a Soviet-built Ilyushin Il-76 transport.

The Simorgh collided with one of the Air Force's Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters over the area of the Imam Khomeyni Shrine, southern Tehran. According to eyewitnesses, the crash occurred immediately after the parade. Apparently, no mayday call was issued.

Both aircraft crashed in flames. Initial reports indicate that seven crewmembers were killed in the crash.

In total, Iraq built three AWACS aircraft, one Baghdad, and two Baghdad-2s, the latter later renamed Adnans. One Adnan and the Baghdad were evacuated to Iran during the 1991 Gulf War, while the second Adnan was destroyed on the ground by a coalition air strike in January 1991.

The exact status of the Iranian Simorgh and its onboard systems was long uncertain. However, photographs suggest that the aircraft was equipped with a newly fitted functioning radar suite.

A fine piece of equipment it was too, during its prime. RIP

[darkjedi]

F-5 Crash, MiG-29 Fire at the 2009 Sacred Defense air show

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In addition to the Il-76 tragedy, there were additional incidents that marred the 2009 Sacred Defense air show in Tehran.

Apparently, an IRIAF F-5F in the third flight group suffered a crash to the east of Tehran, seconds before it was to arrive at the parade location. The two-man air crew managed to eject from the stricken plane, but suffered broken legs. Flight leaders of the air groups requested the air show be scrubbed, but the parade commander ordered it continue. Still, nine of the fifteen participating F-14s en route from Isfahan (TFB-8) were granted permission to abort mission, so only six went on to take part in the show.

If that were not enough, an IRIAF MiG-29 caught fire upon its return to Mehrabad airport. Taxing to its park location, the right engine burst into flames, causing extensive damage to the plane's fuselage. The MiG-29's home base was Tabriz (TFB-2).

That makes for three serious incidents for the air show, one of them fatal, with two aircraft lost and one damaged. Not a good showing for the IRIAF.

15 Tomcat is pretty cool.

[mgz]

so your linking support to my statement that iran = retarded

[darkjedi]

So, for example, every time a US plane crashes, the US = retarded also?

So much for an RIP.  :'(

[mgz]

wanna compare numbers, look up the # of flights ingoing outgoing from us on us planes, the number of flights and people flying on them. Compared to the number of people who die in them as a result of definitive failures that could have been prevented by maintenance

[darkjedi]

Indeed, and for that reason Iran is definitely retarded.

Sound logic, lol

[mgz]

So, for example, every time a US plane crashes, the US = retarded also?

So much for an RIP.  :'(

and since i was to lazy to read at the time of my original response.

That crash was the result of the pilot not the result of malfunctioning equipment.

[nates1984]

Because it's beneficial? What's good in keep crashing airplanes? It's not just that they don't want to. It's that they can't even if they wanted to.

Getting spare parts is the first step in improving maintenance. After that can we start addressing the bureaucratic issues.

Btw we don't know if Iran will still be negligent once it receives enough spare parts to fawn over.

It's just that selling Boeing materials to Iran helps Iran solve their maintenance problem better.

So Iran isn't investing it's oil money into fostering a competent aerospace industry within it's own boarders, and thus cannot provide maintenance/spare parts. What's your point? That it's the West's/Russia's fault? Fuck off. It's Iran's own fault for not setting up shop on home turf.

Iran is not a little child trying suck American tits for life. It's a big boy and can take care of itself. If it chooses not to then fuck 'em. Iran created Iran's problems.

[darkjedi]

That airplane crash was a result of pilot error during a rehearsal for the airshow, not a problem with maintenance.

The problem with military jet parts is that they've embargo going on that prohibits an extensive sale of military equipments to Iran from any country, even if they had the money to buy the parts and were willing to spend it. Iran will buy spare parts for 40 Tomcats if they had the chance to, I assure you. Right now they have to reverse-engineer the parts because the U.S. - the sole holder of Tomcat parts - absolutely refuses to have a military deal with Iran.

[Proin Drakenzol]

That airplane crash was a result of pilot error during a rehearsal for the airshow, not a problem with maintenance.

The problem with military jet parts is that they've embargo going on that prohibits an extensive sale of military equipments to Iran from any country, even if they had the money to buy the parts and were willing to spend it. Iran will buy spare parts for 40 Tomcats if they had the chance to, I assure you. Right now they have to reverse-engineer the parts because the U.S. - the sole holder of Tomcat parts - absolutely refuses to have a military deal with Iran.

So maybe Iran shouldn't piss off countries that have the parts they need?

If they want to go their own way and build nukes in secret then they should've taken into account that no one would treat with them.

[darkjedi]

So maybe Iran shouldn't piss off countries that have the parts they need?

If they want to go their own way and build nukes in secret then they should've taken into account that no one would treat with them.

Embargo on Iran was placed before they started pissing the West by developing a nuclear program or even a military in general.

[lx4]

But not before Iran figured it was a good idea to occupy the American embassy technically American soil and hold their diplomats hostage for over a year. You cant really complain when the Americans wont sell you spare parts after that.

[darkjedi]

I was saying that even if Iran reduced its military growth and provided indisputable evidence that it's not building nukes, U.S. providing spare parts to Iran and selling AWACS and F-14D is unlikely.

And no, Iran does not need to stop pissing off countries that have the parts they need just because they lack spare parts. Their air force is not a significant part of its strategic deterrence, and Iran's most powerful self-defense element is its air defense. They'll stop pissing the West when they want, and that's ok. In the meantime they'll do their best to improve their reverse-engineering.

[kyanwan]

when they will stop killing people.

People will stop killing people when there are no people left to be killed.

[kyanwan]

So, for example, every time a US plane crashes, the US = retarded also?

So much for an RIP.  :'(

Don't forget - Concorde was scrapped thanks to a faulty US plane blowing one up.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590

"The official investigation was conducted by France’s accident investigation bureau, the BEA, and it was published on 14 December 2004. It concluded that the crash was caused by a titanium strip, part of a thrust reverser, that fell from a Continental Airlines DC-10 (Continential Flight 55) that had taken off about four minutes earlier to Houston. This metal fragment punctured the Concorde's tyres, which then disintegrated. A piece of rubber hit the fuel tank and broke an electrical cable. The impact caused a shockwave that fractured the fuel tank some distance from the point of impact. This caused a major fuel leak from the tank, which then ignited."

[ EDIT:  Damnit the delete post button is GONE now so I can't consolidate posts in case of accidental 2x.   ARR! ]

[darkjedi]

Joint Iran-Turkey airline proposed
Tehran Times Economic Desk
October 29, 2009

TEHRAN - Iranian First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi proposed the establishment of a joint airlines by Iran and Turkey in a bid to streamline the bilateral trade.

According to IRNA news agency, he made the proposal in a meeting of Iranian and Turkish businessmen in Tehran on Tuesday, predicting the annual trade between the two states would rise to $30 billion within the next four or five years.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan welcomed the suggestion, saying the two countries should double efforts to remove obstacles on the way of border trade, specifically reduce customs charges, the Islamic Republic of Iran News Network reported.

The two-way trade stands at around $11 billion annually, Rahimi said, suggesting that the creation of a joint industrial border area, the establishment of a joint bank, and adopting practical mechanisms can boost the economic cooperation between the two sides.

Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan, heading a high-ranking delegation arrived in Tehran on Monday night.

Erdogan’s delegation is comprised of 200 political and economic officials including 20 MPs, ministers of foreign affairs, energy, foreign trade, culture, environment and industry, and eighty representatives of private sector companies, as well as 30 media representatives.

Over the past few years, Turkey and Iran have increased their financial cooperation gradually, largely through oil, deepening their relationship through growing trade and bilateral investment.

As Turkey’s energy needs have increased, Iran has actively sought new markets for its most important export, providing an excellent base with which to develop greater avenues of cooperation.

Despite repeated economic sanctions by the United States and the UN to halt international investment in Iran, Turkey has stated that such sanctions will not prevent its cooperation with Iran in supplying its own and Europe’s growing energy needs.

In March 2009, Iran and Turkey signed a memorandum of understanding agreeing to cooperate in air, land, and sea transportation as part of an effort to raise the two countries’ bilateral trade to $20 billion.

Iran has taken steps to make itself more attractive to foreign investment, especially from Turkey, including easing customs regulations in border provinces.

Iran and Turkey will engage in bigger bilateral trade, and aviation technology will go along with it.

This will hopefully minimize occurrences of civilian aviation accidents in Iran in the future.