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darkjedi

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Iranian jets - deathtrap
« on: July 15, 2009, 02:21:25 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-crash16-2009jul16,0,309433.story

I smell sabotage.  :P

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Before crashing, the plane's tail was on fire as it circled in the air, one witness told The Associated Press.


Given Iranian airport's relative lack of security it's not very impossible that some plastic bomb was smuggled hidden inside a desktop tower or something and blew up in the cargo hold. The witness's words need to be verified first, though.
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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 11:42:33 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_plane

Nyahaha. Another one.  :P

The damn newspapers don't update so I can't stretch the wings of my conspiracy theories. >_<

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 01:51:24 PM »
planes are falling from the sky like water yet no one suing!?
Did you know Satan was supposedly gods RIGHT HAND MAN, not his left. Blows your theory out of the water now doesn't it.

darkjedi

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 01:56:31 PM »
It's Iran, things doesn't work like you'd expect it to be in the West. Anyhow, there are Russian techies there right now trying to see what the problem was... if the findings are normal, there will be some monetary compensations, by whom I don't know, and that will be it. But if it's sabotage...

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 07:50:55 AM »
Iran's aviation regulation seen as a factor in air crashes
Iran often blames sanctions for preventing aircraft upgrades. But one industry official faults politically driven regulators who fail to do their job, and who bend the rules for well-connected airline. (for $ obviously lol)

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Iran says US aviation sanctions 'inhumane'

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And here's where the nuke's at:

American planes for Iranian peace?

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Nice try lol

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 01:10:23 PM »
less copy pasting more summarizing so i dont have to read 3 pages of yawn, to get the message that could have been done in a couple sentences

darkjedi

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 01:18:20 PM »
Not that you are obliged to read the news articles but whenever I make a summary it means that you definitely won't be reading the articles and judge the discussion from my summaries alone. >_> I even think many people in my F-22 thread began discussing the issues after reading only my summary and not the articles of Dr. Carlo Kopp. ._. We still have people who believe that the F-35 can provide the Japanese air force with adequate firepower against North Korea and China, eh? Maybe North Korea, but maybe not China. But this isn't the thread for this.

Actually I think it's because I suck at making summaries. ._.
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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 01:21:21 PM »
when they will stop killing people.

darkjedi

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 01:23:26 PM »
When the U.S. starts sending Boeing spare parts to Iran, maybe. Iran's Russian Tupolev airliners are getting too overused because Iran's using the Boeing aircraft sparingly. It makes them more likely to malfunction and cause accidents.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 02:49:11 PM »
so your saying because they use the planes everyone is gonna die. Because the planes are pieces of shit, and if they get used as intended they break and kill everyone.

Boeing with their magical unbreakable airplanes could fix this though ... what a joke.

darkjedi

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 02:56:56 PM »
Providing spare parts is the first step in making aviation officials become responsible about it.

Tupolev didn't get used as intended. They got overused because Iran was being thrifty with their Boeing. A responsible behavior, I might add. Their Boeing's still fly even 30 years after U.S. withdrew support for it, right?

Not that everything they've done is proper.  :) Corruption is inherent in any countries. It was especially worse in Iran's civilian aviation because of the general lack of optimism associated with the lack of support from other countries.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 03:57:48 PM »
so the problem is the upkeep and maintenance on their russian planes.
Just not selling them boeing materials doesnt stop them from maintaining the russian planes they are using even if they are inferior or more prone to breaking.



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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 04:02:28 PM »
so the problem is the upkeep and maintenance on their russian planes.
Just not selling them boeing materials doesnt stop them from maintaining the russian planes they are using even if they are inferior or more prone to breaking.

Indeed it doesn't. It's just that selling Boeing materials to Iran helps Iran solve their maintenance problem better.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 04:08:13 PM »
thats the point im making, IT DOESNT, it just means once the boeings start getting used and start crashing there isnt an excuse for allowing the corruption kill even more people

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 04:12:32 PM »
Yeah and I was just reiterating you lol


Btw we don't know if Iran will still be negligent once it receives enough spare parts to fawn over.

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 04:14:24 PM »
why would the all of a sudden do a 180 turn on their maintenance of their planes? What would make the boeing planes so special that they now get properly maintained when for decades the trend has been the opposite.

darkjedi

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2009, 04:16:41 PM »
why would the all of a sudden do a 180 turn on their maintenance of their planes?

Because it's beneficial? What's good in keep crashing airplanes? It's not just that they don't want to. It's that they can't even if they wanted to.

Getting spare parts is the first step in improving maintenance. After that can we start addressing the bureaucratic issues.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2009, 04:20:53 PM »
so once again your at the same point you are now, the russians are willing to sell them parts but they neglect to properly maintain them.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2009, 04:33:23 PM »
so once again your at the same point you are now, the russians are willing to sell them parts but they neglect to properly maintain them.

Or maybe the parts they are selling are not enough?

There are limits to how much support Russia can give to Iran. It cannot help in everything. Russia's support still cannot help maintain the Boeing's better.

And if there's a reason why the Russian Tupolev airframe's structural integrity seems to be substantially inferior to the Boeing classes, it's because they were operating in a harsher environment. Before Russia transferred the Tupolev to Iran they were being used in the frigid Siberian airspace. Constant icing and de-icing gives a lot of mechanical stress to not just the airframe but also the engines, wheel, etc. It reduces their lifespan.

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Re: Iranian commercial jets crash and kill people, TWICE
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 06:40:20 PM »
tough shit for iran, invest some money every couple of decades into new planes, it sucks but they are cheaper then the boeing planes so who cares