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Americans Split on Health Coverage, Obama down in Polls
Jski:
The simple true is that America is becoming a underdeveloped country due to our old idealizes. What may of worked 40 years ago may not work now. Something will have to be done or a lot of pepole will get sick or even die just because they do not have the money to live. That is how our system works if you do not have money you do not live. Is it a good thing that money is life? (You know i find it odd to see this must agned such a thing you would think watching anime would put people here in the mind set that you have to help others because most anime is like that. I guess the help the week is lost some where when going from reading book, watching anime or playing video games is not getting though to people.)
relic2279:
--- Quote from: queenmetroid on August 12, 2009, 01:19:36 AM --- but this socialism is unacceptable.
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Seems you listen to too much glenn beck, fox news, rush, pick your idiocy. Single payer health care which is what is being proposed is in no way even remotely tied to socialism. It's either that, or you don't understand the definition of the word. It's moronic propaganda. And you fell for it.
--- Quote ---I'm not against authority, but I'm against the liberties that are being taken by Obama and his administration.
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Are you even remotely aware of the liberties that were removed from you by the GOP from 2001-2008? I mean, It's like you're complaining about a splinter when you just got your leg shot off. Oh. But those were good christian conservatives who did it, so it's ok... ::)
--- Quote ---As much crap as Bush did, this is from bad to worse.
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Not even close. I'm actually stunned you feel that way. I'm no Obama lover, but I can't stand non-critical thinkers. If you actually believe Bush is a better president and things are worse under obama, you are not a critical thinker.
--- Quote ---Wiretapping is nothing compared to the government taking control of pretty much every aspect of your life. which is what he intends to do.
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After this sentence I had to skip the rest of the paragraph. If you actually believe this, I feel sorry for you.
--- Quote ---As soon as you log on, your computer becomes federal property. It seems hard to go wrong with that sort of wording.
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Did you even read the link you posted? It claimed what you are saying is completely false. O_o
Stop getting your info from aol chain letters, fox news, your mom who listens to rush and think for yourself. That's the only advice I can give someone.
queenmetroid:
--- Quote from: relic2279 on August 12, 2009, 03:19:29 AM ---Seems you listen to too much glenn beck, fox news, rush, pick your idiocy. Single payer health care which is what is being proposed is in no way even remotely tied to socialism. It's either that, or you don't understand the definition of the word. It's moronic propaganda. And you fell for it.
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--- Quote from: Encarta Encyclopedia ---Socialism, economic and social system under which essential industries and social services are publicly and cooperatively owned and democratically controlled with a view to equal opportunity and equal benefit for all. The term socialism also refers to the doctrine behind this system and the political movement inspired by it.
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Nice ad hominem, it makes you look like the idiot, not me. I'll ignore it and show you where you are wrong. So, national healthcare = everything is owned by the government (e.g. publicly, but not really) and there is equal care for all. Hmmm. Could be wrong but I think that's what the above definition is. A national healthcare plan is nothing but socialism dressed up.
--- Quote from: relic2279 ---
--- Quote ---I'm not against authority, but I'm against the liberties that are being taken by Obama and his administration.
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Are you even remotely aware of the liberties that were removed from you by the GOP from 2001-2008? I mean, It's like you're complaining about a splinter when you just got your leg shot off. Oh. But those were good christian conservatives who did it, so it's ok... ::)
--- Quote from: relic2279 ---
--- Quote ---As much crap as Bush did, this is from bad to worse.
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Not even close. I'm actually stunned you feel that way. I'm no Obama lover, but I can't stand non-critical thinkers. If you actually believe Bush is a better president and things are worse under obama, you are not a critical thinker.
--- Quote ---Wiretapping is nothing compared to the government taking control of pretty much every aspect of your life. which is what he intends to do.
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After this sentence I had to skip the rest of the paragraph. If you actually believe this, I feel sorry for you.
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Again, another fail ad hominem attack. Instead of telling me why I was wrong, you (One) implied that I'm a Christian, (Two) implied that I'm an idiot, and (Three) that I even liked or voted for Bush. Protip: I didn't vote for Bush or Obama. I didn't even vote for McCain. I'm pro-constitution, unlike everyone in this hellhole of government.
Again, think about it. Have you heard what Obama wants to do? He wants to censor video games (Boo!), try and shut up people who don't like him, strong arm Congress into going against the will of the American people and do who knows what else. The words come from the man's own mouth! Do you listen to half of what he says?
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--- Quote ---As soon as you log on, your computer becomes federal property. It seems hard to go wrong with that sort of wording.
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Did you even read the link you posted? It claimed what you are saying is completely false. O_o
Stop getting your info from aol chain letters, fox news, your mom who listens to rush and think for yourself. That's the only advice I can give someone.
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Again, read and pay attention. I'm not interested in the fact of where it was, but what it said. It was blown way out of proportion no doubt, but the fact remains I'm a little concerned when a government website tells me I lose all my rights by entering. When the terms and conditions say that you give ownership of your computer by logging into a website, shouldn't you be paying attention? As if SecuROM wasn't bad enough being on my damn computer.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/On-Cookies/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
So, change the rules about third party privacy on government websites? Won't that affect privacy? Of course not! That and national insurance won't cost me a dime extra. I'm sick of the lies coming from up top.
Anyway, it's too bad your mother didn't teach you any better manners when it comes to arguing. I guess that's life.
vicious796:
Relic, you tend to start up every post about how you're not an Obama lover, maybe it's time you came out of the closet. Yes, we know you're so liberal that he's too far right for you, great. What you are, though, is an Obama supporter.
The President is only as good as his approval ratings are, this isn't like football (WOOT LESS THAN A MONTH) where you have so many statistics you can convince someone that an 8-8 team was one of the best in the league, just had some bad moments/injuries. Right now, Obama's barely staying above the 50% margin, a 20% decline in less than a year. Less than half of the polled populace think the healthcare plan is a good one.
Enough so that there are protests, some violent, at town hall meetings about the subject. However, Sen. Arlen Specter, tells us that "it's not a representive of the US people".
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests
However, I'm sure he'd tell you that the protests at the RNC were, also all the Bush protests in his tenure. What about the polls? What about that 20% drop in less than a year? Nothing to worry about, I'm told, it's just a flux. It probably isn't a real representation of the American people, though Bush's were MOST DEFINATELY accurate.
Look, I'm not saying this is the worst America has ever been, but Obama is no savior. Are people eating up the negative propoganda about this Health-Care Reform? Sure, I'll give you that. But, in turn, I want you to admit you ate up every word about "Change" from this, so far, very par for the course democrat. Tax and spend, tax and spend, spend, spend.
Obama will go down in history as the first African-American President of the United States, nothing more. He isn't Hitler, he isn't Reagan, he isn't Nixon. He's like Jimmy Carter, one term wonder, at least right now.
relic2279:
--- Quote from: queenmetroid on August 12, 2009, 04:53:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Encarta Encyclopedia ---Socialism, economic and social system under which essential industries and social services are publicly and cooperatively owned and democratically controlled with a view to equal opportunity and equal benefit for all. The term socialism also refers to the doctrine behind this system and the political movement inspired by it.
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Nice ad hominem, it makes you look like the idiot, not me. I'll ignore it and show you where you are wrong. So, national healthcare = everything is owned by the government
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I'm not showing you where you were wrong because it's not my job to educate you. There were so many fallacies in your last post, I could write a dissertation on it. You are the one making claims. It's your job to back them up. If I claim the sky is red, it's my job to prove it. Burden of proof.
Anyhow, lets start with this. Yes, I know what socialism is. I asked, "how is single payer healthcare, socialism?" The government DOES NOT control healthcare under that plan. So exactly how is it socialism?
http://open.salon.com/blog/je_robertson/2009/06/19/the_public_option_is_not_socialized_medicine
--- Quote ---Again, another fail ad hominem attack. Instead of telling me why I was wrong, you (One) implied that I'm a Christian, (Two) implied that I'm an idiot, and (Three) that I even liked or voted for Bush. Protip: I didn't vote for Bush or Obama. I didn't even vote for McCain. I'm pro-constitution, unlike everyone in this hellhole of government.
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I never said or implied any of those things.
You said things are worse under Obama, than Bush. Didn't say you liked bush, only that you believe obama is worse then bush. And I said since "Christian conservatives did it, it's ok", I was poking fun at the social conservatives, like palin, bush and mike huckabee, not you. You seem to like putting words in my mouth, it's either that, or you are misreading my posts.
--- Quote ---Again, think about it. Have you heard what Obama wants to do? He wants to censor video games (Boo!), try and shut up people who don't like him, strong arm Congress into going against the will of the American people and do who knows what else. The words come from the man's own mouth! Do you listen to half of what he says?
Anyway, it's too bad your mother didn't teach you any better manners when it comes to arguing. I guess that's life.
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Have a source? You make outrageous claims like this and expect me to take you seriously. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm only trying to stop misinformation before it begins. Your above claims are either outright lies or severely twisted distortions of truth.
--- Quote from: vicious ---Relic, you tend to start up every post about how you're not an Obama lover, maybe it's time you came out of the closet. Yes, we know you're so liberal that he's too far right for you, great. What you are, though, is an Obama supporter.
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When you have people like queenmetroid just spewing outright misinformation and lies, and I have to correct them every day, it probably does seem like I'm an Obama supporter. (By the way, did you read her/his last post above yours? At least with you, we can have a somewhat decent debate based on facts)
--- Quote ---source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests
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Ah, you mean those fake riots? Here is Rachel Maddow proving it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/32277121#32277121
And here is a bunch of links with various "Busted" type stories on how most if not all of were fabricated:
http://www.reddit.com/search?q=GOP+town+hall&sort=top
--- Quote ---Obama is no savoir
I want you to admit you ate up every word about "Change" from this, so far, very par for the course democrat.
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Oh I don't disagree. Where IS my change.. :P He hasn't done much. It's still semi-early, I still have a wait and see attitude. His actions so far have been... meh... mediocre at best.
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