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vicious796:
What's not being brought up are the real ones that aren't being reported. There was a town-hall like meeting a week or so ago in Manassas, VA (next to where I work) that turned rather ugly quickly, sending a couple to the hospital. Only reason I knew about it was because a friend of mine was there. Nothing in the news, no reported arrests in the newspapers, nothing. Now, Steve isn't the most honest person in the world but he is rather political. He's an Obama supporter though, so I don't see what he gains by talking about "those stupid rednecks starting shit at the convention".

Semnae:

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--- Quote from: kyanwan on August 11, 2009, 04:28:52 PM ---Dictating who should live and die based on their health, is a Hitler thing.  

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And where is that in the bill?  Grandstanding much?

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That is the truth and everyone knows it. Look at Canada. The much lauded system has obscene wait times. Basically, what will happen is that the federal govenment will deny you care if you are over a certain age. They have to, because they cannot afford to pay for everyone. That's the way it is in Britain. If you are over a certain age, you don't get care. Simple as that. There's too many old people here for us young people to support. Under his plan, I will be taxed to nothing. Obama is on crack (read: lying through his teeth) when he says that everyone will get taken care of. The federal government will fail at a healthcare system. Plain and simple.



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I think your forgetting one very important fact.  Politicians have to be elected.  Voters aren't going to vote for officials that kill off their grand parents.  What your suggesting is political suicide, and couldn't happen in any democratic nation.

DrmChsr0:
I dunno what the big hoohaa is all about when it comes to this healthcare reform, but isn't Obama basically giving every American a healthcare insurance plan that basically pays for your trips to the doctors?

I mean, the only other system that isn't the NHS is Medishield, and that is a Singaporean healthcare policy that gives everyone in Singapore enough money to pay for their doctor's bills.

(Yes, it's the same country that thought up taxing people who drive cars on a daily basis to ease traffic flow. I got my own issues with my own country, but this isn't one of them.)

And the Republicans are saying he's gonna force the future generation of Americans into debt because of this? What the derp? Where were they when Bush Jnr. gave America at least $27 trillion (the actual number is somewhere close to $53 trillion and counting.) in debt? Where the the Republicans when Nixon, Bush Snr, and Reagan thought it was cool to lend from other countries? What was the need for that Alaskan Bridge to nowhere?

relic2279:

--- Quote from: DrmChsr0 on August 13, 2009, 12:29:28 PM ---I dunno what the big hoohaa is all about when it comes to this healthcare reform, but isn't Obama basically giving every American a healthcare insurance plan that basically pays for your trips to the doctors?
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Nah, that would be evil socialism...  ::)
Single payer isn't national health care, or even universal health care. Single payer gives the "option" to have health care at an affordable rate. You can still keep the shitty plan your employers offer you, till they drop you once something serious happens or won't cover pre-existing conditions after something does happen to you. In which case, you die, go bankrupt or ... sign up for the single payer plan.

Speaking of insurance,

Seems Glenn Beck's lunacy is too much even for his own sponsers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/geico-pulls-its-ads-from_b_256724.html

Geico pulled it's ads from his show and "Lawyers.com, Progressive Insurance, Procter & Gamble, and SC Johnson -- also distanced themselves from Beck."

vicious796:
It's not all about the socialism aspect, it's got alot to do with the debt we have, the debt we're still building, and the debt that will have to increase to pay for this.

Did Obama create our entire debt? Of course not. What was the first thing he started doing upon getting in office? Spend. Spend a shit ton. Not even on healthcare, that's going to be MORE money, but on everything else. A huge, bloated Omnibus bill. A large car trade-in bill. The continuation of that same car bill.

Not saying Cash for Clunkers is bad, just that it's expensive. Just because someone else did it already doesn't make it the right thing to do - building up debt that is. You can't justify Obama's spending by saying "well Bush did such and such", that doesn't make it right. I've been saying this for what seems like forever but has only been a few short months. Two wrongs don't make a right, spending 2 trillion dollars doesn't give you 5 trillion - it just makes you lose 2 trillion.

On top of that, there's so much questionable material in the bill itself. I ask you, have you read it? Do you know what's in it? What do you think a "competitive" fee is? These are the same people who thought offices paying more than 150k in salaries had to be large offices - they're way off base. Everything they do is seperate from reality and they don't understand what it's like to be one of their constituents.

There are protests going on around the country in the town-hall meetings that have become so popular. Have some of them been blown out of proportion? Yes. Does that take away from the fact that people are not happy with this bill right now? No.

"Well nobody said anything in Obama's town hall!" No shit. What do you think the security was like there? How difficult do you think it was to get into the place in the first place? It wasn't a rinky dink Senator talking to their constituents, that was the President of the United States. Secret Service was all the fuck over that building, no riot is taking place.

So stop with this "Well Bush did..." or "Well the Republicans did..." bull shit because it doesn't justify the Democrats actions. We're not in middle-school, this tit-for-tat shit doesn't fly in the real world.

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