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Americans Split on Health Coverage, Obama down in Polls
Jski:
So what does high debt mean event? People keep talking about it but only use as if it was the bogeyman don't turn your back or the debt will get you. Its comply unrealistic to think a normal person to be debt free why cant we apply that to country and in a way its good to be in debt to other country it crates a suasion where the country become depend on each other there by making them work together and hopefully letting them over all make more wealth and grow.
On another note the most valuable thing we have in the USA is the people and not the random goods that we produces. So it would be economical good to invest in the people more then any thing else.
vicious796:
--- Quote from: Jski on August 13, 2009, 01:41:32 PM ---So what does high debt mean event? People keep talking about it but only use as if it was the bogeyman don't turn your back or the debt will get you. Its comply unrealistic to think a normal person to be debt free why cant we apply that to country and in a way its good to be in debt to other country it crates a suasion where the country become depend on each other there by making them work together and hopefully letting them over all make more wealth and grow.
On another note the most valuable thing we have in the USA is the people and not the random goods that we produces. So it would be economical good to invest in the people more then any thing else.
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Because there is a point where people stop lending you money, both as individuals and as a country. There's a collapsing point to an economy when your debt to income ratio is unfixable and if the US economy crashes (literally) so goes the economy of everyone else. Money is, in fact, a very real thing and it's something we're bleeding already. If you force too much regulation and tax on the upper class and businesses (one in the same mostly) you will see what we've already seen:
They will leave the country. With them go the jobs they created and the taxes you could have applied to them.
Without those jobs your unemployment rate skyrockets. With that comes a larger burden on the working class' taxes. This leads to deterioration of morale as well as state budgets.
Do you see the cycle?
Semnae:
Consider this. I'm up to my neck in personal debt. This debt was accumulated primarily through loans I needed to pay for my college education. Once I'm done with college, I will be in a better position to pay off my loans. Once I'm done paying off my debt, I will be better off than I was initially. This is called making an investment. Nations work on the same investment principle. We are spending a lot and accumulating debt now, but this spending will strengthen the economy so that we will be in a better position to repay that debt later.
Now tie this into health care. It's going to be expensive, but not only will almost everyone be covered, it's going to help the economy immensely. Covering all the previously uninsured will cause the insurance industry to boom. On top of that, there's going to be a new demand for doctors and other medical professionals to treat all these newly insured individuals. As demand increases, colleges profit as new people get educated to fill that demand. Better colleges and more educated people leads to more advances in technology, and we regain the lead in technology. These advances need manufacturers and distributors. You get the idea. Over all, the benefit to our economy far outweighs the debt we will gain.
Jski:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on August 13, 2009, 06:55:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jski on August 13, 2009, 01:41:32 PM ---So what does high debt mean event? People keep talking about it but only use as if it was the bogeyman don't turn your back or the debt will get you. Its comply unrealistic to think a normal person to be debt free why cant we apply that to country and in a way its good to be in debt to other country it crates a suasion where the country become depend on each other there by making them work together and hopefully letting them over all make more wealth and grow.
On another note the most valuable thing we have in the USA is the people and not the random goods that we produces. So it would be economical good to invest in the people more then any thing else.
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Because there is a point where people stop lending you money, both as individuals and as a country. There's a collapsing point to an economy when your debt to income ratio is unfixable and if the US economy crashes (literally) so goes the economy of everyone else. Money is, in fact, a very real thing and it's something we're bleeding already. If you force too much regulation and tax on the upper class and businesses (one in the same mostly) you will see what we've already seen:
They will leave the country. With them go the jobs they created and the taxes you could have applied to them.
Without those jobs your unemployment rate skyrockets. With that comes a larger burden on the working class' taxes. This leads to deterioration of morale as well as state budgets.
Do you see the cycle?
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Well that seems to be the same argument for the "race to the bottom" where businesses will move to where there are less regulations but this is not what going on just some businesses have moved but most have stayed in place. This argument seems more of a scare tactic then any thing else. This argument is used to go vs. worker rights too.
nates1984:
--- Quote ---Secondly, our schools are shit because republicans fight reform in that area, at least since Reagan. Probably a reason most in the academic market are democrats. Bush's 'no child left behind' solution was a real win. I personally think all education should be free or socialized including higher education.
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Wrong. Schools are shit because of underpaid teachers and uninvolved parents.
lrn2think
You can't just blame everything on a political party, and you can't expect your government to take care of you cradle to grave.
On health care: Considering the shitty condition our schools, highways, ect. are in, I don't trust the government to run the health care system. Reform should start with the way our government operates, only after that can we talk health care. Essentially this whole discussion is moot for this reason.
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