Americans Split on Health Coverage, Obama down in Polls

[vicious796]

I wasn't actually referring about what Bush did, if I read your comment correctly. I was referring to the protesting that's going on because of Obama increasing the debt. Since they didn't protest Reaganomics, the War On Terror, and the deregulation of the global economy...

Their protesting sees to be extremely hypocritical and offensive. And this isn't about the whole evil socialism aspect (and yes, Singapore does seem to be an evil socialist nation, but it's actually a corporation.) they're pushing, since that's immediately offensive to almost everyone due to all that Hitler they managed to infuse it with.

I don't like debt myself (How to reduce your debt tip: Swap your credit cards for debit cards. Or better still, do without either.), and I think Obama may be wrong to increase the debt, but he's giving a lot of people a shot at affordable healthcare. Healthy people work longer and better and spend more money.

Dunno about the debt, though. Personally, I'm into taxing the crap outta the corporations, since they are the ones with the money, but there be problems if the taxation isn't implemented globally.

Hypocritical and offensive from your point of view, yes, but justified by theirs. A ton of people protested the things you listed.

I'm also too lazy to look up who also mentioned corporations moving as a scare tactic, name me 10 things you own that were made ENTIRELY in America? Hard to do, isn't it? Raise taxes on corporations? Up from the world-leading 35% we already have on our largest companies (39% for the middle of the pack)? You'll have even less American made products in your home. Increase importation, goodbye job market! Then we'll really be paying for everyone's health insurance because the public option would be the only option for the HORDE of unemployed Americans.

[relic2279]

Two things in the news...

Mexico passes public option/free healthcare for US citizens before our own US congress:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world/americas/29mexico-brf.html?_r=1
 

And in other news,
77% of Americans support the 'choice' of a public option in health care. Remove the word choice and only 43% support it. Even though they are the same thing. 57% of people are morons....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

[Proin Drakenzol]

Two things in the news...

Mexico passes public option/free healthcare for US citizens before our own US congress:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world/americas/29mexico-brf.html?_r=1
 

And in other news,
77% of Americans support the 'choice' of a public option in health care. Remove the word choice and only 43% support it. Even though they are the same thing. 57% of people are morons....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

Some people need to look up the definition of the word "option."


Also, @ the "Obama = Hitler" thing... since he hasn't (to my knowledge) started persecuting people based on race, religion, or creed the only things that are left are what Hitler managed to do with Germany's economy and industry. Hitler managed to take the German mark from being literally worth less than toilet paper to being a strong, stable currency. He restored pride of nation in a defeated people, rejected the (arguably unfair) sanctions and reparations that had been imposed on his country, and rebuilt his country as a strong industrial and military power. If it weren't for the fact he was a mass murdering fuckwad (something Obama has shown no indications of becoming) Hitler wouldn't have been that bad. As it was he was one of the most evil men in history and I, as a Jew, certainly believe the world would have been better off without him. But that doesn't mean he wasn't effective at rebuilding Germany.

[mgz]

Two things in the news...

Mexico passes public option/free healthcare for US citizens before our own US congress:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world/americas/29mexico-brf.html?_r=1
 

And in other news,
77% of Americans support the 'choice' of a public option in health care. Remove the word choice and only 43% support it. Even though they are the same thing. 57% of people are morons....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

Some people need to look up the definition of the word "option."


Also, @ the "Obama = Hitler" thing... since he hasn't (to my knowledge) started persecuting people based on race, religion, or creed the only things that are left are what Hitler managed to do with Germany's economy and industry. Hitler managed to take the German mark from being literally worth less than toilet paper to being a strong, stable currency. He restored pride of nation in a defeated people, rejected the (arguably unfair) sanctions and reparations that had been imposed on his country, and rebuilt his country as a strong industrial and military power. If it weren't for the fact he was a mass murdering fuckwad (something Obama has shown no indications of becoming) Hitler wouldn't have been that bad. As it was he was one of the most evil men in history and I, as a Jew, certainly believe the world would have been better off without him. But that doesn't mean he wasn't effective at rebuilding Germany.

yea obama is no hitler, hitler did way more positive for germany if you exclude the whole genocide thing, and count the construction of the autobahn and the other things hitler did. There was a reason he was times man of the year when it actually meant something. Nobody knew the whole genocide thing was coming next but hey bad deeds dont undo the good things he did

[relic2279]

Seems Obama is up in the polls... In the rest of the world.


The verdict is in: President Barack Obama is popular around the world and improving the U.S.'s global image.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=8155223&page=1

[vicious796]

That's not a surprise, he's done more media work than any other President NOT on trial for something. You see his face everywhere and we knew going in that he wanted to improve our relations across the globe. The rest of the world is not our homefront though and we always seem to forget that, not only in politics either.

[relic2279]

I think it's his softer foreign policy approach that's helping boost his popularity. He's not a GOP war monger. And it's my opinion that a softer foreign policy will help us too, in the long run. 

[AceHigh]

I would usually say that a leader should me more liked in the country, than outside, but in this case it's different.

USA is imperialist country, if other countries like it, then it will profit from it. Basically Obama's good image in other parts of the world is indirectly profiting for USA's economy and influence. It's ridiculous as hell, but it's true.

[nstgc]

We are notan imperialist nation. We are a Neo imperist nation. Think wall marts and children making gap clothes for 1 cent a week.

[Semnae]

We are notan imperialist nation. We are a Neo imperist nation. Think wall marts and children making gap clothes for 1 cent a week.

I can't help but be reminded of this music video.

[vicious796]

It's funny, I'm actually a big Rise Against fan, they make good music. I also like how they don't do the Green Day/Pearl Jam 1 hour speech on their political views at every single concert. I've seen them a couple times and while he may say a sentence or two before/after a song, he doesn't RANT and warp the minds of their younger audience. They preach education and while I can't say I always agree with their viewpoints I can say they're educated and intelligent views.

[AceHigh]

We are notan imperialist nation. We are a Neo imperist nation. Think wall marts and children making gap clothes for 1 cent a week.

You have military bases in other sovereign countries
Your currency is defacto international
You have the most powerful military in the world
You wage war with other countries every 20 years
You call yourself the world police


Do I need to say more, imp?

[relic2279]

America! FUCK YEAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

[AceHigh]

As long as you don't deny it.

[Semnae]

Both Obama's job approval and support for his health care plan are on the rise now.

[relic2279]

They are offering a public "option" that is budget "neutral". I fail to see how anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would be against this. It's clearly common sense. Leave it to the republicans to rally morons to protest against their own self-interests yet again.

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[tyrionlannister]

Is this public option fair competition is one question I would like to ask.

In a free market, those who cannot achieve profit over a reasonable period of time are forced to go bankrupt/lay off people/reduce activity/be sold to another company etc..

In the case of a government subsidized company, it can afford to give services with a price below the actual cost, knowing that the difference will simply be provided by the government.

This type of thing, when done by  (private) companies on the international marketplace  is restricted through anti-dumping agreements/legislation.

Taking this into account, will this public option not create an unfair competition in the market, given the fact that the government can in effect fix prices below the actual cost?

Also, regarding socialism, setting a certain (by the government and considered "fair")  value on services and the work of people, such as this legislation seeks to do, is one of the principles of a socialist country. In the former "communist" countries (actually socialist because communism has not yet been achieved), the government decided that goods and services have a certain arbitrary value, supposedly calculated to be fair.