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Intel kicking AMD to the curb?
AceD:
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--- Quote from: andy1uk on July 20, 2009, 03:09:22 PM ---i have an i7 and p6t deluxe v2 - and theres no chance in hell i would swap for an amd processor, intel just kills amd in all areas atmo
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And I have an i7 "toy" as well. It's good, but not worth the price. I'm going to build a C2D or a quad. Not really looking into an AMD though. Not yet at least.
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the 920 is worth the price imo, the ones above are overpriced
Lupin:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 20, 2009, 03:00:33 PM ---I'm actually thinking of building a new computer to screw around with. Core 2 Duo processor, 8GB (same as the one I purchased, extremely cheap and super fast) and one video card. I don't think I'll spend this money anytime soon until next year or so.
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Go with i7 instead. LGA 775 upgrade path is over. This is actually the main reason why I'm sticking with AMD for now. i7 boards are still quite expensive. Building a Core 2 machine while much cheaper has no more upgrades. AM2+ boards can use AM3 procs.
fohfoh:
--- Quote from: andy1uk on July 20, 2009, 03:45:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: fohfoh on July 20, 2009, 03:40:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: andy1uk on July 20, 2009, 03:09:22 PM ---i have an i7 and p6t deluxe v2 - and theres no chance in hell i would swap for an amd processor, intel just kills amd in all areas atmo
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And I have an i7 "toy" as well. It's good, but not worth the price. I'm going to build a C2D or a quad. Not really looking into an AMD though. Not yet at least.
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the 920 is worth the price imo, the ones above are overpriced
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I was playing with an i7 920. 1300 or so CAD after everything (purchased in February) I got rid of vista and I'm running windows server 2008 on it. (@#^&%@#$&^@#%$ 900 CAD for the software). Yes, I have an i7 as a server... but it's not mine. I did some computer consulting, and the company wanted to spend 1200 bucks on a E5200 processor server from dell... Those "servers" are literally computers from 5 years ago, double the price, and with a server badge. HELL it doesn't even come with a server OS. I told the company if they really needed the tech people from dell in case it died. (Not allowing me to build a server). To buy an almost gamer level computer for the same price. That's what the i7 "Toy" was. XPS (dunno what number, I think it was a 595)
kyanwan:
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--- Quote from: bloody000 on July 19, 2009, 02:46:43 PM ---
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--- Quote from: bloody000 on July 19, 2009, 01:29:10 PM ---Benefiting consumers is only a bonus, every corporation's primary concern is its own profit.
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Of course it is, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to step down on consumers any way possible. They can and will still make plenty of money even if they wouldn't use such dirty measures.
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They don't count 1-2-3 then turn around and shoot. Get real.
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Now that sounds like you think I want the whole market to be 100% controlled and thats not true at all... I just don't think that compeletely everything is acceptable. Intel gave price reducements from their products to companies that refused to use AMDs products wich is like bribing them to embargo AMD... and that goes beyond the line of whats allowed and whats not imo. You can try to trip your competitor a little, just not in every possible way. The perfect situation of course would be where the competition happens purely on who has the best price/quality while the companies still make solid profits, but even if that is compeletely unreachable does it mean we shouldn't even try to get closer to it?
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You're doing it all wrong. Want to know how you fight fanboys?
Facts.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=45&p2=88
You get: 20% processing edge over the Phenom II Black if you run an i7 Extreme.
Let me give you an idea what a 20% boost in performance equates to:
* 60 FPS framerate will become 72 FPS. 80 FPS will become 96 FPS.
* A file that takes 20 seconds to compress will now take 16.
* A video that takes 5 minutes to encode will now take 4. ( Oh, encoding. I do that all the time. )
* A database query that takes 5 seconds will now take 4. Similarly, one that takes 10 will only take 8.
Wow. That's so awesome. In the extra couple seconds I gain, I can start to fap, stroke my dick once, then get back to my work.
For this 20% boost in performance, you pay:
Intel i7 Extreme: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115200 $1000
AMD: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=45&p2=88 $215
These are the two chips in that competition.
20% performance gain, for a 400% price difference. How do these numbers add up? Is it justified to pay the price of 4 systems, to get the performance of one? Would you rather have a ROOM FULL OF PCS, THAT OPERATE 20% slower - or a single PC. You can have a fucking lanparty, or a fapfest. Your choice ( I know you picked Intel. ) Or, we can put $1000.00 worth of CPU hardware up against each-other. You know who would win in that competition? AMD, hands down. You'd have the processing power of 4 AMDs for the price of 1 Intel. Dollar for dollar - you'd have: 4 Intel cores, and 4 fake cores (virtual is another word for fake, my friend.) - up against 16 AMD cores, and zero fake cores.
Or even better yet - for the price that Intel i7 - you can buy a Phenom 2 - and a pair of Geforce 285GTXs / 2GB each - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130486
Now, picture the field adjusted - add 2mb cache to the AMD - you know - to even the playing field. What will happen?
How much do you know about CPU architecture, d00d? Can your knowledge compare to my computer science degree and electrical engineering knowledge - or are you just so smart, you transcend actual understanding of the workings of CPUs?
[ Edited: I had a coffee. My brain started working normally - so I cleaned up my post ... a little..... ^_^ ]
bloody000:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=50&p2=88
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=47&p2=88
::)
And guys, don't even think about overclocking or your computer will explode instantly.
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