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Intel kicking AMD to the curb?
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on July 20, 2009, 08:37:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: relic2279 on July 20, 2009, 07:48:19 PM ---
--- Quote ---Overclocking halves the life of your hardware.
So, double the price of the intel.
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What enthusiast that knows enough to overclock would hang onto an outdated processor for that long? Your point is moot.
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Flipping a switch or changing your multiplier in BIOS isn't exactly computer science.
OK, so it doesn't "halve" the life of your equipment per-se. To get any BIG boosts, you will need to do an extreme overclock.
These "overclocks" that people do of, 5, 10%, 15%, even 20% - those are pointless. What's your performance bonus going to hit? Why bother?
25% or 30% instead of 20%? Is it worth it to put the extra strain on your hardware, to get an extra 5% or 10% out of it?
Put it this way - people who buy hardware, will buy the thing that's good, and cheap. Now, let's head on over to that valve hardware survey that's done all the time. ( hah ) what's the percentage of people who swap out their hardware every 6 months, year, whatever - like, 1-5%.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/
( So out of all of us here, only 1 has this "good hardware" we're talking about. Even me -lol- I've got a few old Amd X2's. Why? Because I upgrade RAM & GPU based on my personal needs, not based on who I need to impress with screenshots so I can join their WoW lardasses fap club. )
This user - likes performance. The kind where I never get a BSOD, hiccup, failure, error. I compute failsafe (*or should I say, fail resistant.) Overclocking, is something not in my vocabulary. I leave that to fools. ( like the type of fool who considers an extra 5 FPS - and other things the human eye is incapable of seeing, or the mind is incapable of processing - a "sizable gain". )
( This would be the same person buying into 64-BIT HD ULTRA-LOSSLESS AUDIO when Creative decides to release it - and pay $500 for it on top of it all. Even though, your brain & ears can only handle up to 24-Bit quality. :) )
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So - when looking at Intel's low-ass offerings vs the thing they get you up the ass for - (i7 - the so-aptly-coined emergency edition, where they slapped on so much cache it HAS to be good) - what incentive do they have to lock the multiplier? Zero.
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But, what is pathetic here, is that such a piece of pure steaming shit like the Phenom can come so close in performance to Intel, while being 1/5 of the price. That's pathetic. That's shameful.
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Alright so my Quad 2 Core is at 2.4Ghz, I want to overclock it to 3.2Ghz ... would that make a difference for encoding, converting stuff, and playing 1080p flawlessly? (I get 1 to 0.5 second lag whenever I skip a scene or go backwards, not when playing the video).
fohfoh:
I think something is missing here. A i7 920 sits at around what was it 2.66GHz? Now, if we OCed it to 3.0 let's say. It's probably going to be better. However, going into the 3.5-4 Ghz range... NOW we're getting silly. (I don't care if it's stable, we now walk into Kyan's argument of e-peen)
HOWEVER, anything that sits in the 2 Range area that can be OCed into the 2.8-3 Range stably probably should consider it. 3 is probably the highest level you really need.
Also we realize that a 5-25% increase in power isn't necessarily the same in performance. Resolved bottlenecks (assuming you can bottle neck what you currently have) cause more information to transfer. It looks like an exponential initial boost, then an exponential incremental decrease in performance. (You know, that graph that looks like the upside down "J")
AFAIK, most laptops are overclocked before being pushed into the market. I recall buying my computer back in the day. T7200 @ 2.0 GHz C2D was GODLY for a laptop at that time (costing about $1500 CAD) Nowadays, Friggen T3400 and lower ALL run at 2.0 GHz. It's stupid. You know your system is going to crap out. ESPECIALLY since it's in a laptop.
kyanwan:
The kind of overclocking I consider worthwhile - is the stuff people did with the original athlons. Elaborate cooling setups that run at around $100-200 - including nice water pipes with ferrofluid vs water, peltier coolers - etc. 50% minimum is what I consider "overclocking" into worthwhile territory. Anything in the 20s and less - is just using your hardware smart - not - overclocking.
This is like running your old P1-100 at 133, just because it could. ( 30% speed increase using nothing but crappy stuff that looks like your northbridge heatsink. That chip was pretty good. )
These "safe" overclocks, that's not overclocking - that's being a wuss. :) It's so safe - that some manufactures "pre-overclock" the stuff and slap a lifetime warranty on it.
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Laptops are trash, imo. That thing's destined for the trash even before you buy it. Only thing I'd ever buy in a laptop - is one under $400 - something I can throw up in the air, hit it with a baseball bat - and feel great after the fact. ( or sell it for parts on ebay to some chump who repairs em. )
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Ok, +1 for Intel. How come nobody else found this?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3551&p=8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674
Q9550 = $219
X4 955 = $215
So they have offerings in the same alley, that are slightly better.
bloody000:
How come you didn't read my post?
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a. Overclocking is about bragging rights and e-penis.
b. You don't need the extra performance. Even if you do it's not worth it.
c. Moderate OC is not OC and is for pussies. Real man does Extreme OC(TM).
Make up your fucking mind and try again.
relic2279:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on July 20, 2009, 09:19:23 PM --- 50% minimum is what I consider "overclocking" into worthwhile territory.
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Well. My e6400 is dual core chip and stock 2.0Ghz. It's running at 3Ghz on air cooling, at safe temps (thanks to nice fans in my case) for over 2 years.
That's a 50% increase in performance with no additional cost to me. I'm getting much more for my money. And yes, Overclocking has a very noticeable effect. Especially when I'm encoding vids or playing HD content. I can't play HD content on my PC/TV without it being choppy. Overclocking fixed that. (Probably would be helpful in games, but I haven't been playing any recently)
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