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Intel kicking AMD to the curb?
bloody000:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on July 21, 2009, 06:56:35 PM ---( I don't bother with OCing - I don't have the time, or need. ^_^ )
Those intel CPUs have 2X and 3X the Cache of the AMD competitor. You're paying for that - do you know how expensive that cache is?
By design, the cache preloads code into the CPU - the on-CPU cache executes far faster than RAM, far faster than anything your system has. By design, these CPUs run much faster than the AMD counterpart.
For the amount of cache they have on hand, this only proves to me there is nothing superior about the design of the CPU. The only thing Intel has done, is made a larger line of CPUs with big cache. That's all they're doing.
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That's the kind of arguments like "Real Quad Core(TM) vs. 2 x dual core", things that only make a difference in people's head.
Q8400 2.66 2x2M_L2 $175
Q9400 2.66 2x3M_L2 $200
Q9550 2.80 2x6M_L2 $220($230)
PII 920 2.80 4x512K_L2 6M_L3 $150($190) AM2+
PII 940BE 3.00 4x512K_L2 6M_L3 $190 AM2+
PII 945 3.00 4x512K_L2 6M_L3 $225 AM3
PII 955BE 3.20 4x512K_L2 6M_L3 $239($255) AM3
If you compare them in that AnandTech page you will find that similar priced ones have similar performance.
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Now, i7 920(and every i7) has the least amount of L1, least but fastest L2 and the biggest L3(appears to be the fastest too) out of the bunch, runs at 2.66G, overclocks like there's no tomorrow at stock voltage, costs $280($289) and beats the 955BE in virtually every test. It also isn't a dead end like LGA775. But the obvious drawback is of course the prices of X58 boards.
kyanwan:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 21, 2009, 08:00:08 PM ---They're all talking about X's and Y's and G's and B's and Squares and pies and sands and missles and porn. Well, I'll tell you what. Pentium II > Amd 64x2 + Phenomn x4 + Quad 2 Extreme Q9850 + Core i7.
beat.that.shit.
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THERE WE GO ~
We're comparing 2mb cache chips to ones with 6mb cache = AMD.
Why AMD won't fucking pump up the cache on their regular CPUs - I have no clue. They've been doing this forever. Ever since the original Pentiums.
*shrug*
Why people get all emo over CPUs I fail to see. Like my jackass brother. "Zomg 360 is so better tahn PC - ur PC sux0rs."
Right. PC sux for him because MAW knows if he had a PC in his room all he'd be doing is FAPPING ALL FUCKING DAY XD ( What a dumbass. )
queenmetroid:
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Right. PC sux for him because MAW knows if he had a PC in his room all he'd be doing is FAPPING ALL FUCKING DAY XD ( What a dumbass. )
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That's purely a need to know type of thing. xD
Personally, I put my reliance on Intel down to brand loyalty. AMD hasn't done so hot for me in the past, and I can't stand unreliable silicon. The only boards I've ever fried have been...AMD. I don't OC much, but when I do, I like to be assured of reliability. The only Intel board I've ever had die on me was because the heat sink fell off (my fault). I've had no less than SIX AMD boards die on me for various (or no) reason. I'm willing to pay for a comparably priced Intel CPU because the performance gap will be so small anyway. I don't need to squeeze out an extra 20 megahertz, it really won't matter much in the end.
Like Lupin said, I had a P3 board ( with a 450 mhz CPU) that lasted 8 years. It survived the USB ports catching on fire. That type of stuff brings me solidly to Intel's side.
kyanwan:
For my own systems - I always plan my systems to last at least 3-4 years. I built two based on the FX55 - way back when. They're still going strong enough for me. The next two, I made on socket AM2.... this is right before Core2 came out. :| So I was disappointed, kinda.
I've used whatever was available and at a decent price point / performance - course, to last a few years.
I tell you, if I were to buy a new system right now - a bit back in the post I mentioned two CPUs - one Intel, one AMD - side by side - with a $5 price difference. I would buy the Intel for myself.
( * I have 2 EOL'd AMD systems that can't be upgraded. Can't do anything with em. Unless I see a real reason to replace those systems with AMD - which I really don't - I would consider Intel. Same thing with AMD K6-2 - I completely dropped AMD at that time, lol, for the P2- I bought a P2-350 / 100mhz - which I was VERY VERY happy with. Yeah, the P2 was truly a kick-ass CPU in its day. )
relic2279:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on July 21, 2009, 11:50:17 PM ---For my own systems - I always plan my systems to last at least 3-4 years.
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Ditto. I bought my e6400 2 years and 5 months ago to date. Glad I chose that cheap chip because I was able to watch HD content on my HD TV (dual monitor FTW) which I didn't initially foresee. Streaming shit from my computer to my HD bigscreen is the most important thing I do on my PC right now. :P
I will be upgrading in august/sept though. And I'm DEFINITELY buying another intel chip.
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