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Vista Service Pack 2!
« on: July 26, 2009, 02:04:01 PM »
Just updated to service pack 2, my computer is loading much faster! I'm pretty happy about this one. Anyone know the major (and some minor) updates that they've done?

Also, how do I manage this ram-eating problem with Vista? I'm only running FireFox and I'm using like 3.5GB of ram. My uncle down-graded it to 1GB of ram.


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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 02:08:48 PM »
Isn't that because of pre-fetch options vista have? It should release all that ram on a need basis, it is what makes the OS fast.

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2009, 02:26:07 PM »
Isn't Windows 7, Vista service pack 2?  :D

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2009, 02:28:30 PM »
Isn't Windows 7, Vista service pack 2?  :D
I'm definitely getting Windows 7 for sure. I just noticed this overhaul upgrade from the previous version in Vista SP1, its running much smoother and faster. And nevermind about the ram problem. I was updating Vista >_>;; I just updated my video card driver too. Woot!


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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2009, 04:51:24 PM »
Just updated to service pack 2, my computer is loading much faster! I'm pretty happy about this one. Anyone know the major (and some minor) updates that they've done?

Also, how do I manage this ram-eating problem with Vista? I'm only running FireFox and I'm using like 3.5GB of ram. My uncle down-graded it to 1GB of ram.

That's the Windows Vista lawsuit killer.

"We didn't abandon everyone who bought vista, Your Honor.   See, this is service pack 2.   Or you could call it, Windows 7 Light - for unfortunate people who are stuck with Vista."

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 05:39:25 PM »
Also, how do I manage this ram-eating problem with Vista? I'm only running FireFox and I'm using like 3.5GB of ram. My uncle down-graded it to 1GB of ram.

Hmm.. firefox only chews 300 megs from my vista system.




Edit: Forgot to mention I have like 20+ tabs going as well.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 07:38:05 PM by relic2279 »

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 07:12:44 PM »
Read this and this. This is one of the reasons why Vista uses so much RAM.
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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 11:34:30 PM »
Read this and this. This is one of the reasons why Vista uses so much RAM.

Me guesses :  the same reason Linux is always at "100% use".  

Me also notes : when you do "free" - there's also a "buffers" reading.  

Code: [Select]
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       2075720    2041804      33916          0     176552    1609828
-/+ buffers/cache:     255424    1820296
Swap:      1052248        144    1052104

Looks like we're maxed.  But we're not.    I keeps things you've run in memory - if you run it again, it's still there - it loads faster.  

[ For those of you that don't follow 100% - look at this line:  -/+ buffers/cache.   That's how much you really have free.  The simple "use" line says we're maxed.   But the "buffers used" shows we've only got 256 mb / 2GB used. ]

Guess what.

XP does the same shit.

( Start up your favorite game.   Shut it down.   Start it back up.   ZOMG It started twice as fast!   ......... AH-KHAAAH!!!   Though XP - it's kind of random.  I guess they figured, preload your favorite shit, then bam it works nice.   Then, when your memory is all filled up with crap, and you start a new program you never use ... ;)  Oops.  I like it on a by-chance basis - with the option of dedicating a spot to "x" if you deem it important. )

Last but not least:  

Has anyone else noticed - Firefox has become a gaping asshole lately?  

It's starting to blow ... slowly ... but surely.   With each new version, it gets worse.   :(  

I'm looking into Safari and Opera.   :(  
« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 11:40:56 PM by kyanwan »
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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 03:52:52 AM »
Ah, but you see mine only uses 150MBs (and I had 4 tabs open, one included Youtube playing a video).



Of course, it's probably the specs of my system that are helping that. However, I've never had to complain about Vista. After all, Vista is a good OS if you know what you're doing.

In my eyes, Vista has always run faster than XP has. And 7 (which I have running on my backup laptop) runs even faster than Vista does, due to better caching.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 04:01:25 AM by Onibokusu »

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 04:28:29 AM »
While it's true that Vista/7 use a lot of RAM with prefetch, it actually makes commonly used programs faster, but doesn't slow down anything else since it will immediately release that memory when needed. However, the memory use for prefetch, isn't shown in Task Manager.

The Windows 7 performance monitor will let you see how much is being used for prefetch. Open task manager (CTRL + SHIFT + ESC), click the Performance tab, click Resource Monitor, and then click the "Memory" tab. The grey section is reserved by the BIOS, green is actively in use by Vista itself and other programs, dark blue is prefetch, and light blue is unused. The green section is what is shown by side bar monitoring applications and task manager in both 7 and Vista. XP's task manger only shows page file usage. The used memory shown in Vista is actively being used by not only the programs you can see, but also the ones you cannot, IE - viruses and spyware, anti-virus, anti-spyware, all the shit that comes with any apple program, steam, that bullshit Rockstar Social Club thing, AIM/Yahoo Messenger/MySpaceMessenger/MSN, all the bullshit installed by Dell, and so on.

While Vista does use more memory than XP, the difference isn't any different than the upgrade from 2000 Pro to XP. 2000 will run happily on 64MB of RAM, where as XP needs at least 256 to be barely usable. People forget so quickly. This was considered outrageous at the time, and XP was known as a resource pig until memory prices came down. Vista itself only uses about 700MB to 1GB for itself; everything else is other programs.

Just like 2000 and XP, it's all the shit people install on their PCs that runs in the background that actually uses up all the memory and slows everything down. Because of that little sidebar meeter and the hardware requirements, that were considered steep at release, Vista got a bum rap. As far as memory usage goes, it isn't really any different than 7. If you install a third party monitoring application in XP, you also find it isn't much different either.

Also, for those of you arguing over how much memory Firefox uses, the more you have, the more it can use. The rest goes to the page file. Right now I have 4GB of memory, and Opera is using 374MB. On my old work computer which had 512MB, Opera would bring the computer to it's knees if it got much past 40MB of memory usage.

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Here is a screen shot of my Vista machine with 2GB of RAM. Vista is using 639MB of RAM or about 1/3.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d196/Mag-X/Desktop/vista_memory_usage.jpg

Here is a screen shot of my Windows 7 machine with 4GB of RAM. 7 is using 854MB of RAM, or about 1/4.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d196/Mag-X/Desktop/7_memory_usage.jpg

The only XP machine I have here only has 384MB of RAM, so it isn't really any good for comparison. My XP machine at work has 2GB, and it's usage isn't that far behind my Vista machine. For the record, my step-brothers computer has a Celeron and 1GB of RAM, and it ran just fine with both Vista SP1 and SP2.

Vista's only real problem is that it doesn't scale well below 1GB of RAM like XP and 7 (and 7 won't go that far below). Since you can get 2GB of RAM for $30 at this point, everyone would probably have forgotten about Vista's memory usage if it weren't for netbooks coming along. I just think it's so funny that people love to hate on Vista, while at the same time praising Windows 7, when in reality, they're almost identical.
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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 04:40:52 AM »
Read this and this. This is one of the reasons why Vista uses so much RAM.
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Last but not least:  

Has anyone else noticed - Firefox has become a gaping asshole lately?  

It's starting to blow ... slowly ... but surely.   With each new version, it gets worse.   :(  

I'm looking into Safari and Opera.   :(  
Safari and Opera are bigger and less secure assholes. You must just have Firefox configured wrong. I use about 50MBs of "memory" on Linux, and on my old Winblows box I got about 120 MB. Plus the fact I have like 50 addons installed...... I have no idea why it om nom noms so much of your memory.

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 05:46:20 PM »
At times, it's around 100.   At other times, it runs up to 300.   Guess it's been forever since I've actually played with settings on an app.   That's half the problem right there. XD

( Still better than IE though. )
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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 05:57:33 PM »
If left at it's default settings, firefox will use ridiculous amounts of ram to cache recently viewed sites.  I,ved seen it use 700MB at times.  If it bugs you, just change the settings.  The only real problem is a slight stutter whenever another ram hungry program is loaded, and the FF vache gets flushed to make room.

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Re: Vista Service Pack 2!
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 06:24:22 AM »
At times, it's around 100.   At other times, it runs up to 300.   Guess it's been forever since I've actually played with settings on an app.   That's half the problem right there. XD

( Still better than IE though. )
lol. IE8 uses so much memory, it got me an upgrade from 1GB to 2GB of RAM for my work computer.  :D
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