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Aneroph:
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--- Quote from: Aneroph on October 27, 2009, 04:22:37 AM ---You're misunderstanding the meaning of words here. Heart + passion != good work, just as good work != heart + passion. Have you ever seen the movie "Rudy"? That little Irish kid had basically 0 talent for football, but dammit if he didn't give 120%. You can say that English voice actors don't have talent (or at least not as much as other more prominent actors), you can say they just aren't as good as Japanese, you can even say they don't have the same training, but to say they're not even trying is just a blatant attack on people who do a lot of hard work so that people can enjoy anime on television without reading subs.
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I don't see why you think it's such an insulting or ridiculous statement.
Take note that Havoc did acknowledge that American VAs did put efforts in their work; the difference is the passion.
In America, being a voice actor is often a job of transition to acquire experience whereas, in Japan, it is a vocation and something many people aspire to (and, in Soviet Russia, something aspires people). The end result is American voice actor are generally less passionate about their work than their Japanese counterparts. It's just a cultural thing. If being a janitor was glamorous in America but not in Canada, American janitors would be far more passionate about their work than Canadian ones.
--- Quote from: shabutie on October 27, 2009, 04:29:57 AM ---I wonder if the Japanese feel the same way about JDubs on English shows as we feel about EDubs on Japanese shows...
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Semi-related to what you said: http://is.gd/4DHSK
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Until you can show me proof that all American voice actors are disappointed with their jobs and all Japanese voice actors overly enjoy their jobs then what you say is all disrespectful. To say someone isn't passionate about a job because it's not the most desirable job out there is just stupid. I've known janitors and garbage men that give more in their work than high ranking businessmen. Bottom line is, passion != good work and good work != passion.
Those American dubbers not only have to translate from the original Japanese, they then have to Americanize the script so it makes sense, then they have to fit everything that is said with the mouth movements without making things sound too ridiculous and without losing too much in translation. If you're going to blame anything, then blame this excruciating process that has to be done every time an anime is dubbed and stop saying the actors don't have passion for their work.
Rebs:
--- Quote from: Aneroph on October 27, 2009, 06:20:49 AM ---Until you can show me proof that all American voice actors are disappointed with their jobs and all Japanese voice actors overly enjoy their jobs then what you say is all disrespectful. To say someone isn't passionate about a job because it's not the most desirable job out there is just stupid. I've known janitors and garbage men that give more in their work than high ranking businessmen. Bottom line is, passion != good work and good work != passion.
Those American dubbers not only have to translate from the original Japanese, they then have to Americanize the script so it makes sense, then they have to fit everything that is said with the mouth movements without making things sound too ridiculous and without losing too much in translation. If you're going to blame anything, then blame this excruciating process that has to be done every time an anime is dubbed and stop saying the actors don't have passion for their work.
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I respect this last post. I feel you on this one.
For subs one only needs to translate. For more understandable subs for those of us outside the Japanese culture one must also "Westernize" the translation. And then for the dub it must also synchronize with the animation. It's tricky stuff.
It's cool if you don't like dubs, however let's not direspect the people that do them just because of that.
Borror0:
--- Quote from: Aneroph on October 27, 2009, 06:20:49 AM ---Until you can show me proof that all American voice actors are disappointed with their jobs and all Japanese voice actors overly enjoy their jobs then what you say is all disrespectful.
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Fine. I'll give it a try.
Being a voice actor in Japan for an anime is a high profile job. So much so that often idols are voice actors. The amount of work and practice required to get important roles is crushing. It's the kind of job where, if you are not 110% there, you're simply not going to make it as there are more aspirants than there is jobs for.
On the other hand, being a voice actor for an anime is America is more of a beginner's job that is just a way to gain experience or put bread on the table while waiting for something better. As a result, the average American dubber is less passionate than the Japanese equivalent.
There is a natural selection in the entertainment business: the more prestigious the job you apply for is; the more passionate and dedicated to your work you have to be to land. Of course, there are exceptions but it's a good rule when generalizing.
kurandoinu:
Borror0, that is assuming however that every VA in Japan wants to be a VA, and every one in the US aspires to be something else. People don;t fit so snuggly into those little cubby holes
Borror0:
--- Quote from: kurandoinu on October 27, 2009, 07:04:17 AM ---Borror0, that is assuming however that every VA in Japan wants to be a VA, and every one in the US aspires to be something else.
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My logic does not rely on such assumptions. I clearly stated that this is a generalization.
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