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The best suicide technology in the world (nuclear technology?)
mgz:
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--- Quote from: BuriaL on August 06, 2009, 03:20:27 PM ---I guess its no use talking to you. To naive and stubborn to reason with.
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I could say the same about you. Give me a good alternative... please I dare you. The world consumption of electricity is estimated to be roughly 17 trillion kW hour per year. Yeah, that's 17,000,000,000,000 KWh per year.
Let's take Solar One which is located in Nevada, it produces about 134,000,000 KWh. That means we would need about 126866 power plants like that. That would take roughly 203000 square kilometers. That is an area which is slightly smaller then the country of Romania. Now I know what you think, "we got a volunteer!", but as you see it will take a huge amount of space and there are simply countries that can't afford wasting space like that. As with most of the current renewable sources, they are unreliable and not accessible to all countries.
As much as I could tell you all "Ha ha, suckers, Norway has 99,9% of renewable energy, you suck", I understand that many countries are not in a position to exploit those resources. It's as simple as the fact that Netherlands do not have waterfalls which can be used to produce power.
Nuclear energy is really safe, idiots who are talking about Chernobyl, forget that it was the 1st generation NPP. Finland is now building the 5th generation NPP which actually has failsafe devices unlike Chernobyl (which had an obvious design flaw instead). Nuclear power is safe, clean, reliable and cheap, end of story.
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you would be an idiot to say nuclear power isnt safe for the most part when it is maintained properly and staffed with trained individuals, however given irans record on many things in the nature of large expensive shit. And their lack of caring about the people as a whole. It would seem unlikely that the country would find itself pulling a complete 180 on how it ran things. As opposed to wanting to use the guise of developing nuclear programs to work on weapons development which is where speculation comes into play.
Should iran be able to use nuclear power ? hell yea they should, BUT imo they should be reaching out to countries like us or canada or chunks of europe for help not starting from scratch, because when you develop your own technology for things from the ground up usually there is bugs to fix and lessons to learn which is where things like 3 mile island stateside or chernobyl come into play
BuriaL:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on August 06, 2009, 04:22:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: BuriaL on August 06, 2009, 03:20:27 PM ---I guess its no use talking to you. To naive and stubborn to reason with.
--- End quote ---
I could say the same about you. Give me a good alternative... please I dare you. The world consumption of electricity is estimated to be roughly 17 trillion kW hour per year. Yeah, that's 17,000,000,000,000 KWh per year.
Let's take Solar One which is located in Nevada, it produces about 134,000,000 KWh. That means we would need about 126866 power plants like that. That would take roughly 203000 square kilometers. That is an area which is slightly smaller then the country of Romania. Now I know what you think, "we got a volunteer!", but as you see it will take a huge amount of space and there are simply countries that can't afford wasting space like that. As with most of the current renewable sources, they are unreliable and not accessible to all countries.
As much as I could tell you all "Ha ha, suckers, Norway has 99,9% of renewable energy, you suck", I understand that many countries are not in a position to exploit those resources. It's as simple as the fact that Netherlands do not have waterfalls which can be used to produce power.
Nuclear energy is really safe, idiots who are talking about Chernobyl, forget that it was the 1st generation NPP. Finland is now building the 5th generation NPP which actually has failsafe devices unlike Chernobyl (which had an obvious design flaw instead). Nuclear power is safe, clean, reliable and cheap, end of story.
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Photovoltaic tech("solar") are currently only operating at a maximum output of 40% or so. The estimated maximum output of this tech is about 83% i think.
In europe, have you ever seen a house with solar panels on the roof? why is that? with current technology you can earn money on them over time, so why dont anyone but campers use them?
Theres allso the issue with using waste heat, from industry, electronics and with better tech i guess we could build "air condition" cooling systems that actualy produce energy.
Geo-Thermal power is barely tapped, whos using it? Iceland?
The netherlands use wind power dont they? and they could use the power of the tidewater?
Even if you live in a bunker with no powersources of any kind theres some hope.
I dont remeber where, but i saw some people on tv once. They buildt some pressure sensitive "mats" that made power when people walked on them.
There are devices like watches that make power when you move.
Hell if it came down to it, make exersise mandatory and have everyone cycle for 10min each day to produce power. Then well have healthier people and more power.
I like green, not pollution brown or nuclear yellow.
Edit: Typo
mgz:
the amount of actual waste produced by nuclear plants is like nothing compared to most things conventionally used in countries like america
BuriaL:
--- Quote from: mgz on August 06, 2009, 07:59:39 PM ---the amount of actual waste produced by nuclear plants is like nothing compared to most things conventionally used in countries like america
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If youre talking to me..
Iam talking about waste heat produced from machinery, electronics..etc. Iam not talking about burning garbage and shit.
Heat --> Electricity.
Anyways i just found this:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/solar-forest-charging-station-keeps-cars-cool-and-juiced.php#ch02
I loove how it looks. Seems like a practical way to use parking space to :D
bloody000:
Solar power is a joke. It's unreliable and it takes up too much space. It only works if you have a huge barren desert.
Recycling waste energy is nothing new. You just have to make up the cost of doing it.
Of course Icelanders are using geothermal power, they have volcanoes everywhere! Do you live near a volcano?
You missed the point. The Netherlands is flat. Their sea is shallow.
Scientists are working on fusion power. If you ask me, it's much more hopeful than those "alternative" energy sources.
Here, we have hydroelectricity. Years ago we have enough electricity to export it to the States. but not anymore. Consumption is rising but production obviously won't go up so we've been importing electricity for the last few years. Unlike fuel-based power plants you just can't built yourself a river and put dams in it. That's why they are good, you don't need to meet special requirements that are out of man's control.
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