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The best suicide technology in the world (nuclear technology?)
BuriaL:
--- Quote from: bloody000 on August 06, 2009, 09:03:37 PM ---Solar power is a joke. It's unreliable and it takes up too much space. It only works if you have a huge barren desert.
Recycling waste energy is nothing new. You just have to make up the cost of doing it.
Of course Icelanders are using geothermal power, they have volcanoes everywhere! Do you live near a volcano?
You missed the point. The Netherlands is flat. Their sea is shallow.
Scientists are working on fusion power. If you ask me, it's much more hopeful than those "alternative" energy sources.
Here, we have hydroelectricity. Years ago we have enough electricity to export it to the States. but not anymore. Consumption is rising but production obviously won't go up so we've been importing electricity for the last few years. Unlike fuel-based power plants you just can't built yourself a river and put dams in it. That's why they are good, you don't need to meet special requirements that are out of man's control.
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Next time do some research before writing something at all.
bloody000:
Educate me, hippie expert.
BuriaL:
--- Quote from: bloody000 on August 06, 2009, 09:41:53 PM ---Educate me, hippie expert.
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Ace and mgz can put up and argument. You cant even that. Ill write something anyways.
You might wanna elaborate on how the solar energy is fail. How Geo-thermal cant be used unless you live near a volcano and other verry observant statements you just made.
And why cant we use allready developed land for solar panels?
And how can regaining waste energy be costly? Sure inital costs for parts, and over time that pays for itself.
It seems you dont know what "tide" is ether. You know the big ball of light that circle earth every day? Its magnetic and attracts water. So the water moves around and makes a strong current, perfect for making power. Ironicly you said theyre sea is shallow, but thats exactly the reason it works.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: BuriaL on August 06, 2009, 06:38:31 PM ---
Geo-Thermal power is barely tapped, whos using it? Iceland?
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The Philippines uses it. 1/4th of the Philippines' energy production comes from geothermal power plants, and they only have natural gas and fossil fuel powerplants as alternatives, because they are too poor to operate a dam with an integrated hydroelectric power plant, and they don't have solar panels. I'm in the Philippines right now, (and I've stayed here long enough to thoroughly analyze their energy economy) and I feel the effect clearly; we have power failure lasting for around 10 hours every month in the more out-of-the-way districts on average whenever the geological activities of the tectonic and oceanic plates near the Philippines are weakened, which causes the efficiency of the geothermal power plants to drop because of the lower temperature of the geothermal steam. (5% drop in efficiency means 1/80 of the country will be deprived of electricity until the efficiency is restored; that's 1.2 million people)
And you know what's stupid? Philippines does have a nuclear power plant that they can use to provide power for another 10% of the country whose operation cost is only half a billion USD, (that's cheaper than the cost of the fossil fuels and fossil fuel power plants they need to use to provide power for 10% of their population) but they can't, because the U.S. doesn't want to help, (and because Filipinos educated by the West are pacifists and stupid) and the Philippines can't complain anything about it because the Philippines is U.S.'s puppet through and through.
Now you see, if Filipinos are deprived of electricity for 10 hours a month, it's because of people like you - people like you who do not like nuclear powers, when nuclear powers are precisely the only thing that will provide your family comfort when your own countries become cheapshits like the Philippines once resources deplete.
And mgz, the reason why Iran can't get help from the U.S. or Western countries is because the West themselves refuse to help. Why would they want to help Iran get better with nuclear technology, when it's clearly against their operational propaganda? (prevent a Muslim nation from getting nuclear powers, woohoo! [courtesy of Bush]) They want Iran to dismantle their nuclear program - no excuse permitted. It's not Iranian's fault; it's the West's fault for not helping. But luckily for Iran they've now got the Russians and the Chinese to help them, (who are incidentally smarter than people like Bush or Hillary Clinton lol) and their 6000+ centrifuges have been operating well so far without any mishaps. Operating 12000+ won't be that hard once Iranians get better in the next few years with Russia and China's help.
IceRiccy:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on August 06, 2009, 08:37:54 AM ---The only alternative to nuclear power is mass extinction, pure and simple.
We definitely need nuclear power. Those solar-water-wind-geothermal sources you are talking about will not be enough to provide power for 12 billion people 40 years later. And our fossil fuels and oil will not last very long. Our only viable source of unlimited energy (relatively speaking) will be nuclear fusion derived from the hydrogen atoms that we extract from the oceans, once we master the methods to contain nuclear fusions through electromagnetic confinement. Since we don't have such capability yet, it's even more important that we promote the development of nuclear technology, not discourage it. The more developed our nuclear technology is, the less likely it is that an accident like Chernobyl will happen again.
So guys, support nuclear science. ;) It will benefit all of your children and grandchildren.
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Your naive and stubborn.
Nuclear energy has already reached a limit. The only thing we can research is gaining more energy out of a single atom aswell as increasing the safety measures. Real Energy comes from the Source, the earth itself. Right now at this point, the worlds own heatsource can generate up to 13.000.000 yottajoule. With the current tech, we can only harvest 200 zettajoule using Geothermal plants. over 15 years with less then 1 Billion US dollars investment, we can actually push that harvest amount up to 2 Yottajoule. Wich already supplies nearly enough energy to power the population for several MILLENIA!. Its clean, its safe, its unending and best of all its eco friendly.
Think about it. If 2 ZJ can provide enough energy for the entire world population for Several millenia, regardless of how quick it expands, and the fact that is it safe, why should we invest in nuclear energy, that is anything but safe and has limited capacity?
@ Burial
The Netherlands have Wind, Solar, Water(you dont need waterfalls to create energy with, you also have current), geothermal, nuclear and even Fossil Fuel plants. We are a small country, but we compete with the G8 and every other major industry related country, the only reason why are not on it standard is due to our countries size.
@ bloody000
You have no idea how solar energy really works do you? Learn a little more about it, and you might understand, you dont need just a big barren desert to make it usefull.
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