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The best suicide technology in the world (nuclear technology?)
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: IceRiccy on August 06, 2009, 11:22:39 PM ---Your naive and stubborn.
Nuclear energy has already reached a limit. The only thing we can research is gaining more energy out of a single atom aswell as increasing the safety measures. Real Energy comes from the Source, the earth itself. Right now at this point, the worlds own heatsource can generate up to 13.000.000 yottajoule. With the current tech, we can only harvest 200 zettajoule using Geothermal plants. over 15 years with less then 1 Billion US dollars investment, we can actually push that harvest amount up to 2 Yottajoule. Wich already supplies nearly enough energy to power the population for several MILLENIA!. Its clean, its safe, its unending and best of all its eco friendly.
Think about it. If 2 ZJ can provide enough energy for the entire world population for Several millenia, regardless of how quick it expands, and the fact that is it safe, why should we invest in nuclear energy, that is anything but safe and has limited capacity?
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Give me sauce.
My sauce:
Energy released by 1 gram of H2 gas undergoing fusion = 9,000,000 joules
Earth = 1,400,000,000,000,000,000 tons of water
Equation:
1,400,000,000,000,000,000 tons x 1,000,000 gram/tons x 9,000,000 joules = 1.3 x 10^31 Joules
1.3 x 10^31 Joules is equivalent to 130,000,000 Yottajoules. 13,000,000 Yottajoules.
coincidentally, you said:
--- Quote ---the worlds own heatsource can generate up to 13.000.000 yottajoule
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That's precisely because of NUCLEAR POWER.
You just proved my point. :P
One free zero is roaming around somewhere.... God damn it... where is it? (found it lol)
BuriaL:
Iam somewhat confused. Geo-thermal heats up water that gets used in turbines? And this proves youre point how?
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: BuriaL on August 07, 2009, 12:08:26 AM ---Iam somewhat confused. Geo-thermal heats up water that gets used in turbines? And this proves youre point how?
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Water can be used in three ways to produce energy:
1) geothermal steam (forgot to mention; it's used for all steams, be it fossil fuel, natural gas, oil, even nuclear)
2) kinetic driver in a hydroelectric power plant
3) source of hydrogen atom for nuclear fusion
Among those three, the way by which water can be made to provide 13,000,000 Yottajoules is not geothermal or hydroelectric, but by NUCLEAR FUSION. IceRiccy mistakenly thought the general consensus 'Earth's water can provide 13,000,000 Yottajoules' meant that it's either through geothermal steams or hydroelectric power plant. But it's actually because of nuclear fusion. Only by nuclear fusion can the Earth's water mass be harnessed to provide 13,000,000 Yottajoules.
IceRiccy:
Geothermal energy is energy that emits from the earth. It comes from magma and the radioactive decay of uranium, thorium, and potassium. Magma is hot because of the tremendous amount of friction and pressure to be found in the earth's subsurface area.
It is simple and only requires water to be pumped through pipes in the Earths crust. Allowing the water to vaporize and rise up, were a turbine catches it and generates energy. The steam cools down, turns to water again and the process is repeated. This is geo thermal energy. once we investigate and improve this technique, we can get asfar as the core, wich will results in unending and a lot of power.
btw, im not mistaking anything here, you are. You are comparing the process of Water to steam to water to a Nuclei turning to a plasmic state.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: IceRiccy on August 07, 2009, 12:31:59 AM ---It is simple and only requires water to be pumped through pipes in the Earths crust. Allowing the water to vaporize and rise up, were a turbine catches it and generates energy. The steam cools down, turns to water again and the process is repeated.
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That's a very crude method. You definitely won't harvest even 13 Yottajoules of energy before the whole solar system dries up within the next 10 million years. You still need to use some chemicals like isobutane if you plan to produce any substantial amounts of power. That will require you to harvest gas from gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn to produce isobutane, because the Earth itself doesn't have enough. And trying to harvest such in itself uses a lot of power; so far, no human spacecrafts are capable of approaching a gas giant's surface and coming back up intact, because our spacecrafts are not sufficiently powerful. (we will need very high-impulse propulsion devices like nuclear pulse engines or antimatter engines to resist Jupiter or Saturn's gravity; again, nuclear technology) And it's also harmful to the environment also; it's a pollutant and a cancer agent.
--- Quote from: IceRiccy on August 07, 2009, 12:31:59 AM ---we can get asfar as the core, wich will results in unending and a lot of power.
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Nah, you can't. Unless you can oppose the kinetic pressure of the Earth's mantle through an equally powerful pressure from nuclear power, you won't be able to approach even just the Moho boundary without your own vehicle breaking down first.
--- Quote from: IceRiccy on August 07, 2009, 12:31:59 AM ---btw, im not mistaking anything here, you are. You are comparing the process of Water to steam to water to a Nuclei turning to a plasmic state.
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lol that's inevitable because I'm trying to defend my point of view that nuclear power is better than geothermal power. You were wrong also in claiming that geothermal power can produce 13,000,000 Yottajoules, when it's actually only nuclear power that can produce such amounts of energy. :P
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