The best suicide technology in the world (nuclear technology?)

[Sosseres]

Using solar power with todays tech is prolly not a good idea in norway due to little light.

The thing I've always wondered about solar power is how those collection areas stay clear of debris. Snow, ice, leaves, sand and several other kinds of materials ought to force some kind of cleaning action?

[BuriaL]

I did use the power bill from my appartment.. with a fridge, oven, computer, stereo, hotwater, heating / cooling, and lighting all using power. Did you assume i live in a little box on the street?
Its true that a family would need more power tho.

Instalation costs shoudlnt be to much, if you cant do it youreself. Maintenance is making sure the panels are not damaged or dirty..i dont think its verry hard to do.

I dont know how much a batterycharger, batteries and replacement batteries would cost, but hell the system is running on 50% and still produce more than i need. Scale it down a notch, move it to a country further south where power is expensive.


I dont think having a system like that would be a bad idea if i lived "a bit" further south. But no, where iam currently living i wont be changing to a system like that anytime soon.
Wtf would i do in the winter with 6 hours of light?

[darkjedi]

You'll find that your house is seriously lacking in power during winter or rainy days. Besides that, the Sun's power output is not consistent throughout the day. Your 14 daylight hours is our perception of daylight, not the Earth's. Basically you have to take away the first 3 hours and the last 3 hours from the daylight hours. That makes it more or less 8 hours of usable daylight.

[BuriaL]

You'll find that your house is seriously lacking in power during winter or rainy days. Besides that, the Sun's power output is not consistent throughout the day. Your 14 daylight hours is our perception of daylight, not the Earth's. Basically you have to take away the first 3 hours and the last 3 hours from the daylight hours. That makes it more or less 8 hours of usable daylight.

With a battery system rainy days shouldnt be a problem, and the system will produce some power anyways. I did scale the system to double of what i would use for a reason.

Just becouse its not peak efficency light conditions more than 8 hours per day in the ideal areas for solar panel dont mean that the light isnt absorbed.

If you buildt this system in a part of egypt, youll get 8 hours of 100% power output every day. And you get less than 100% the rest of the time. Its 12 hours of light every day all year around.
You could scale the system down 50%, And i dont think youll have to worry about to much rain.


One thing that seems to be a problem tho is smog. It blocks some some of the sun, and makes cleaning the panels more important.

[darkjedi]

Hehe. Good luck getting the Egyptian government into purchasing 3 million units of Solaris system.

[BuriaL]

Becouse of politics?

[darkjedi]

That, and also not every country are as rich as you are. Most third world countries have more to gain through nuclear power than through solar power, and afaik they still constitute half the world. Keep squeezing their economy by shoving in expensive technology, and you are only hastening Malthusian crisis, which is the very thing we are trying to prevent.

[BuriaL]

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=20907

If we belive that, theyre allready expanding theyre power systems with solar and wind. 11 new solar plants..

Theyll import directly from china tho, so no solaris panels there. At least i would if i were planning stuff on that scale.



Turning to another topic, does anyone know what they do with the waste from nuclear plants, and how long it takes to "break down"?

[darkjedi]

Turning to another topic, does anyone know what they do with the waste from nuclear plants, and how long it takes to "break down"?

We shoot them towards outer space using railguns. Simple.

We don't need to wait for them to break down. We only need them out of our way.

If we belive that, theyre allready expanding theyre power systems with solar and wind. 11 new solar plants..

It's not 11 new solar plants. It's 11 new natural gas thermal plants.

[Tearlach]

The biggest problem with solar plants as I've understood it is that they produce their energy when we need it the least (during the day).

[BuriaL]

I guess i shouldnt have assumed anything, since at least some of the plants are gas-turbine x/

[darkjedi]

I guess i shouldnt have assumed anything, since at least some of the plants are gas-turbine x/

 

And it's not some, it's most of them.

[mgz]

It's Iran, they will mange to blow up even the most reliable reactor somehow.

That's naive.

All the test runs and operation rehearsals involving more than 6000 centrifuges in their enrichment facilities have indicated no difficulties whatsoever on the Iranian's part to operate them. They can handle their nuclear fuels precisely and efficiently. They are not going to spill them over slipping on some banana peel. The Iranian reactors are being built using the finest Russian nuclear engineering technology, and they are as reliable as any modern Russian or Chinese reactors. Don't go 'look at Chernobyl, lol, it's Russia!', it will just make you look stupid. Iranians of 2009 are not Russians of 1986.

As for the 'negligence' issue, neither Russia nor Iran can afford to botch the Iranian nuclear program, because it has a very significant impact on the economic strategy of both countries. Counting out the insurance policy of the multi-billion contract between Russia and Iran, wherein if a Iranian nuclear reactor fails due to technical reasons, the Russians will be required to build another nuclear reactor at their own expense as a compensation, they also have the oil industry of Iran at stake. It's a rather simple explanation that even myself isn't fond of discussing, (because it's so dull) so I'm just gonna leave it there. Suffice it to say, Iran's nuclear program is so important that they cannot be anything but seriously careful about it. And yes, Iranians do care about its citizens, thank you. I hope that cleared some things up.

you say things like this when just recently a 2nd jet crashed in iran killing everyone on it.

Just because it is significant to the country doesnt mean the will or wont fuck it up. Everyone knows it would be important for them, but if the government isnt investing lots of money to keep it up and running decades down the road tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will be the victims when the current leader of iran is dead or gone.

Iran isnt synonymous with high quality and maintaining their shit.
Russia has been known to get shit done regardless of the people in more recent years. Blunders like chernobyl happened and they keep that shit going.
I dont see iran as anything like russia in their mindset and functionality.

[darkjedi]

you say things like this when just recently a 2nd jet crashed in iran killing everyone on it.

Shhh. Iranian mullahs care less about the safety of air travelers than they do for the integrity of their nuclear program. Which one do you think is more beneficial to them?

Just because it is significant to the country doesnt mean the will or wont fuck it up.

Correct.

but if the government isnt investing lots of money to keep it up

This is what you don't know. Iranians are investing more money for their nuclear program than most European countries do. They spend more than South Korea does.

and running decades down the road tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will be the victims when the current leader of iran is dead or gone.

Possible, but also unlikely. Iranians are as accomplished as Europeans in nuclear management and nuclear science. It's only that because the West does not want to trade with Iran the necessary technology and machinery that they are turning to the Russians and the Chinese, which makes you think that the Iranian nuclear programs are defective, because they are, after all, Russian and Chinese technology.  

Iran isnt synonymous with high quality and maintaining their shit.

That's by the 'West' standard, and the West happens to be the very reason why Iranian has this 'quality' and 'maintenance' problem. You guys just don't want to help. All you do is whining. You guys help South Korea, so why not Iran?

Blunders like chernobyl happened and they keep that shit going.

They didn't have any other blunder like that since the Soviet Union fell.

Look at the U.S. also. They've got the whole crew of two space shuttles killed, but they are still pushing forward with manned space missions. What's wrong with Russia doing what the U.S. is doing, reflecting upon mistakes, and improvising as necessary?

I dont see iran as anything like russia in their mindset and functionality.

In the science and engineering department, they are the same. Iranian engineers and scientists are as proficient as Russian or American engineers and scientists. (how many times must I reiterate this lol)

[mgz]

you say iranian engineers are as good as US or Russian, then why were they buying shit from the US until the trade embargo and why do they continue to buy from russia .... if they could engineer it themselves its generally cheaper over any kind of timespan

[Sosseres]

edit off topic post.

[darkjedi]

then why were they buying shit from the US until the trade embargo

So did the Japanese and the rest of the NATO and South Korea. Because US already had better technology we didn't need to reinvent the wheels. It was a standard economic strategy.

and why do they continue to buy from russia ....

Because we don't want to reinvent the wheels. Iran is capable of building its own nuclear technology, yes, but it will be a lot slower, and more expensive as a whole. It will be less beneficial for Iran to insist on building things on its own.

if they could engineer it themselves its generally cheaper over any kind of timespan

Not always. I think I mentioned somewhere that sometimes adapting a preexisting technology rather than making one on its own is more economically prudent. Again, reinvention of the wheels is never productive. And having good engineers and scientists doesn't necessarily mean that country will be scientifically advanced. Resources and money are one of the factors, and also the strength of the labor force. As far as I know Russia and and the U.S. both have a lot more engineers and scientists than Iran does, and their economy is also a lot stronger.

Take note that Iran is a third world country who launched a domestic space satellite sooner than South Korea, which is the world's most scientifically literate country and also world's 10th greatest economic superpower. On top of it, South Korea got more help from the Russians. It will give you some general idea of how good Iranians are in adopting and improvising. (Iran uses modified Scud missiles to launch their satellites lol; just how the hell do they manage it? >_<)

[mgz]

since when is south korea the most scientifically literate company in the world

[darkjedi]

since when I said it

proof.

I'm not a science geek for no reason, you know. 

[mgz]

since when I said it

proof.

I'm not a science geek for no reason, you know.  

and since your linking to a study on students and a majority of the country isnt students your statement is flawed
not to mention its listed for international students
http://stats.oecd.org/viewhtml.aspx?queryname=18160&querytype=view&lang=en

read down in education, its the source for your source