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The best suicide technology in the world (nuclear technology?)
darkjedi:
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darklight7:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on August 11, 2009, 01:54:52 PM ---Well, ok.
But you can very well bet that the next generation of South Korean scientists will be among the best in the world, if the current youth's scientific literacy is any indication. (high school students of today will be the scientists of 20 years later, right?)
But because the older South Koreans are stupid (some 20-odd parliaments) and necrotic the talents of Korean youths are not cultivated very well. Despite our economic growth most kids are still living in constant state of employment poverty. You'll see that most of the people who work in the South Korean nuclear industry and space programs are often older than they are young, while it's the youth which contain the most skilled workers.
It's starkly contrasting to the Iranian's tendency of giving more difficult jobs to the younger generations. Iran's employed scientists are better than Korea's employed scientists precisely because the younger and better scientists in Korea are being neglected. To put it simply, the good scientists in Korea are the unemployed ones, and vice versa for Iran.
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Korea too many old scientists, bad not enough young scientists. ( from what i am seeing right now they are doing fine )
Iran too many young scientists not enough old ones. ( from what i am seeing they are failing right now )
it's true that you need the fresh blood in the scientific field to broaden the knowledge base but however the reason for why older scientists are more respected and hired isn't it because they have much much more vast knowledge and experience that the younger generation and the older scientists also started out as young scientists before shouldn't they know better?
+ i don't think any decent scientist are the young ones (age 20-30ish) even in research many years is needed to create something new like how a Japanese robotics expert he is aged and old(40ish or 50ish i think) but he is still finding a way to improve computer AI artificial intelligence.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---Korea too many old scientists,
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Too many employed old scientists, yes.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---bad not enough young scientists.
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Too few employed young scientists, yes.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---( from what i am seeing right now they are doing fine )
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From what I see right now what Korea's doing is an embarrassment. The Korean K-50 Golden Eagle is not any more glamorous than the Iranian Saegheh is. They are based on the same reverse-engineered F-4/F-5/F-14/F-15 design. Besides that, Iranians actually had the Saegheh in active production since two years ago, while Korea does not until now, and Korea's KSLV-1 still hasn't been launched even once while Iran launched theirs 4 times.
It's hard to consider Korea's Sejong Dewang class cruiser as domestic, because the techs were literally copy-pasted from the American Aegis combat system, with little to no reverse-engineering at all. But the Iranians made good reverse-engineering on the American Phalanx CIWS and RIM-66 SMR. Korea's scientific development has slowly become stagnant since the old ones started to live longer.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---Iran too many young scientists not enough old ones.
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They have both of them aplenty, in fact more than Korea does, but they are given different tasks now. The old ones are given pacifist tasks such as the nuclear program and the space program, which are currently Iran's top two priority in R&D, and vice versa for the young ones, designing warships and warplanes and UAVs and such just enough to sustain their current military.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---( from what i am seeing they are failing right now )
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I don't share the same view. I find the Iranian's improvement in technological prowess and innovation very impressive, as can be shown clearly in the diagrams above. Korea is a mature tiger quickly growing old while Iran's a cub growing fast.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---it's true that you need the fresh blood in the scientific field to broaden the knowledge base but however the reason for why older scientists are more respected and hired isn't it because they have much much more vast knowledge and experience that the younger generation and the older scientists also started out as young scientists before shouldn't they know better?
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It is also true that many 'old' scientists need to rehash their knowledge because they are fastly going outdated. However, it is actually more efficient and easier to motivate the young scientists to learn new knowledge than making old scientists recapitulate upon what they've already learned. Korea needs to give more attention to the younger generations, but sadly they are not.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---+ i don't think any decent scientist are the young ones (age 20-30ish) even in research many years is needed to create something new like how a Japanese robotics expert he is aged and old(40ish or 50ish i think) but he is still finding a way to improve computer AI artificial intelligence.
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Don't you think it's because age 20-30ish people have less academic prestige than the 40-50ish academics that they are not given the chance to show their full talents, not really that the young academics' talents are inferior to the older academics? When I'm 30ish I'll be sure I won't be at the age to submit a Doctor's dissertation yet, but I'm also sure I could still submit a Master's thesis with as much substance and expertise as a Doctor's dissertation on the subject. (I've seen many examples of this happening; some Doctors just have terrible language even though they do memorize their stuff well, and I've also seen mere college students having a lot of insights due to diligent self-studying beyond what's included in the lesson syllabus) But of course, my thesis will be more overlooked than the dissertation on the same subject, despite being of the same quality or even of better quality, simply because I'm academically 'younger'. ;)
sdedalus83:
And that's why the really talented ones end up in the US, where as long as results are produced and tuition payments are made you can do whatever the hell you want. Europe isn't as welcoming or as flexible, and fewer jobs are available, but you still see a large number of transplants there as well. If a korean student truly can't achieve a PhD by 30 due to longstanding social prejudices, I ccompletely understand why the country has stagnated.
Oh, with regard to your complaint about students focusing on esoteric material like quantum mechanics - it's biggest industry is semiconductor fabrication, the first industry to actually have a need for significant expertise in the practical application of quantum mechanics. Having an overabundance of experts in the field is only a bad thing for new engineers wondering why the pay is so low in such a demanding field.
darklight7:
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---( from what i am seeing right now they are doing fine )
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From what I see right now what Korea's doing is an embarrassment. The Korean K-50 Golden Eagle is not any more glamorous than the Iranian Saegheh is. They are based on the same reverse-engineered F-4/F-5/F-14/F-15 design. Besides that, Iranians actually had the Saegheh in active production since two years ago, while Korea does not until now, and Korea's KSLV-1 still hasn't been launched even once while Iran launched theirs 4 times.
It's hard to consider Korea's Sejong Dewang class cruiser as domestic, because the techs were literally copy-pasted from the American Aegis combat system, with little to no reverse-engineering at all. But the Iranians made good reverse-engineering on the American Phalanx CIWS and RIM-66 SMR. Korea's scientific development has slowly become stagnant since the old ones started to live longer.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---
oh your talking about military strength i was looking more into the the country citizen's lives as you can see there's a vast difference in iran and korea
tech savy koreans and irans who are way behind overall ( looking at it as a whole )
korea 1st world and iran 3rd world =\
Iran too many young scientists not enough old ones.
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They have both of them aplenty, in fact more than Korea does, but they are given different tasks now. The old ones are given pacifist tasks such as the nuclear program and the space program, which are currently Iran's top two priority in R&D, and vice versa for the young ones, designing warships and warplanes and UAVs and such just enough to sustain their current military.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---( from what i am seeing they are failing right now )
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I don't share the same view. I find the Iranian's improvement in technological prowess and innovation very impressive, as can be shown clearly in the diagrams above. Korea is a mature tiger quickly growing old while Iran's a cub growing fast.
sry i should rephrase that failing in using their man source for war and weapons instead of research and development
they are tooo overly focus in military strength to look at their county people.
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---it's true that you need the fresh blood in the scientific field to broaden the knowledge base but however the reason for why older scientists are more respected and hired isn't it because they have much much more vast knowledge and experience that the younger generation and the older scientists also started out as young scientists before shouldn't they know better?
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It is also true that many 'old' scientists need to rehash their knowledge because they are fastly going outdated. However, it is actually more efficient and easier to motivate the young scientists to learn new knowledge than making old scientists recapitulate upon what they've already learned. Korea needs to give more attention to the younger generations, but sadly they are not.
i agreed on you on that, the older generation should be there to guild the new fresh scientists to new heights and teach them their knowledge of their own experience. Something like to learn from the past as not to repeat the same mistake
--- Quote from: darklight7 on August 17, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---+ i don't think any decent scientist are the young ones (age 20-30ish) even in research many years is needed to create something new like how a Japanese robotics expert he is aged and old(40ish or 50ish i think) but he is still finding a way to improve computer AI artificial intelligence.
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Don't you think it's because age 20-30ish people have less academic prestige than the 40-50ish academics that they are not given the chance to show their full talents, not really that the young academics' talents are inferior to the older academics? When I'm 30ish I'll be sure I won't be at the age to submit a Doctor's dissertation yet, but I'm also sure I could still submit a Master's thesis with as much substance and expertise as a Doctor's dissertation on the subject. (I've seen many examples of this happening; some Doctors just have terrible language even though they do memorize their stuff well, and I've also seen mere college students having a lot of insights due to diligent self-studying beyond what's included in the lesson syllabus) But of course, my thesis will be more overlooked than the dissertation on the same subject, despite being of the same quality or even of better quality, simply because I'm academically 'younger'. ;)
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even so on this like you said they have lots of insights and self studying but where do they get their base of research and information from? isn't it from what the older generation have found out and passed the knowledge on so that young scientist can find this and use it as a base for their own research and experiments? even if they might get a breakthrough you can't deny the part that the older generation has played in helping him find out the breakthrough faster and quicker?
heck given a few more years won't the older generation of scientist do the same? if they hadn't share their own research and knowledge i highly don't think that the young scientist can make a new finding without first using the core base research which the higher prestige older generation has found. (for that i respect the old wise men XD)
a analogy would be some 1 made a cart to carry things the 1st inventor ( after much though he made it )
some1 made the a way so that the cart can move faster and quicker and carry more things! 2nd inventor
but if the 1st inventor didn't made the cart in the 1st place how is the 2nd inventor gonna finds ways to improve it? wouldn't he have to make the cart from scratch? which would cost him time and effort?
ps my post is kind messed up with messed up quotes all over the place...... sighs i am not good at this
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