Author Topic: Japanorama BBC Rejection (Read 3458 times)

Sapphi · « **on:** August 17, 2009, 02:10:09 PM »

I'm not quite sure this is the right forum, but I'd like to make an appeal to the rejection of the BBC Japanorama Series.

Though it is not an original anime per se, it does feature quite of bit of anime and live action-media content as well as interviews with the creators such as Hayao Miyazaki. Some clips have been used in other torrents but this is the complete series. There aren't many anime/japanese media documentaries out there (this is the only that I know of); all of the commenters seem to agree that it would be a very good addition to the site (don't let the episode titles fool you; the episodes are jam packed with anime). If anything I would say this counts as "official" fan made material.

http://bakabt.me/torrent/147527/Japanorama_BBC_Special.html

Scudworth · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:59:32 PM »

just curious but was this made back when westerners used to call anime Japanimation?

neo1024 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2009, 03:25:06 PM »

I'd vote for it to get accepted! To understand the anime as a genre, one must first understand the culture that produces it. And these series is an excellent guide to the modern Japanese culture.

This should actually be somewhere on the front page of BBT as "Watch this first before you get anything else" introductory torrent.

PS.: It's from 2002.
PSS.: The thread should probably have been started in the "Uploader's Forum"

Xtras · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2009, 03:36:27 PM »

I agree it might be an asset for the site, but I don't think it should be added as just another offer. I agree with the previous post saying it should be on a separate page. But it doesn't feel right adding something like this into the list of all of the other anime. I mean would anybody actually search for something like that , probably not unless they know stuff like that was uploaded. Get what I mean. Ordinarily people would search for anime series, knowing that that is what is on the list. If this was added to just the list, it would be out of place. Nobody would look for groceries in a library so to speak. I think that is why it was rejected, and that is why BakaBt has the rule of, uploads must be strictly anime.

kurandoinu · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2009, 04:29:58 PM »

Shame. I'd love to see it. Only caught bits when it aired

DaggerLite · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2009, 04:59:11 PM »

I don't think this belongs here.

I've seen it, and while it obviously does have some anime-related stuff, the series is not focused on anime, but on Japanese popular culture. It visits bits of anime, manga, movies, music, art, technology, etc. The anime bits are few, focusing on the big titles like Akira, Pokemon, Gundam, Afro Samurai (Samuel L. Jackson), and a couple of others. I just don't think anime was that big a part of it.

Chiyachan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2009, 05:50:43 PM »

I think it should. It was brilliantly done. I've appealed to Jarudin himself but looks unlikely. He doesn't liek it. T_T

KyraMaverick · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2009, 09:13:41 PM »

Quote from: xtras on August 17, 2009, 03:36:27 PM

I agree it might be an asset for the site, but I don't think it should be added as just another offer. I agree with the previous post saying it should be on a separate page. But it doesn't feel right adding something like this into the list of all of the other anime. I mean would anybody actually search for something like that , probably not unless they know stuff like that was uploaded. Get what I mean. Ordinarily people would search for anime series, knowing that that is what is on the list. If this was added to just the list, it would be out of place. Nobody would look for groceries in a library so to speak. I think that is why it was rejected, and that is why BakaBt has the rule of, uploads must be strictly anime.

That's why there are tags you can search by. If you could only search by title of course you wouldn't find it, but if you search for other documentaries it would pop right up.

I would really love to see this series added. There are so many references in anime to Japanese culture (traditional and pop) that never get explained. It would be nice to see a series that takes a look at Japan and breaks it all down.

Eiyu · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2009, 09:21:56 PM »

Wasn't this rejected back in the day as well?

psyren · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:00:58 AM »

I would have allowed this if it focused purely on anime. It doesn't:

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Japanorama is a series of documentaries presented by Jonathan Ross, exploring various facets of popular culture and trends of modern-day Japan.

Sapphi · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:35:03 AM »

And the various facets of culture are represented by different anime. :O

Southrop · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:55:56 AM »

Does anime feature in every episode? If so, we may reconsider.

Lupin · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:57:36 AM »

The documentaries present Japanese culture in general, not the specific part of Japanese culture called manga/anime. Just because anime/manga is referenced there doesn't mean it's related to these.

I say the parts discussing anime/manga should be accepted. As for the rest, I don't think they are related enough.

I'm not against it because I don't want to see it. I'm very much interested it presents. I simply think that the current rules should be followed. Accepting the whole thing bends the rules very much.

Sapphi · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2009, 01:46:33 AM »

Quote from: Southrop on August 18, 2009, 12:55:56 AM

Does anime feature in every episode? If so, we may reconsider.

Anime/anime merchandise is featured in every episode (not sure about comedy+bad girls ep, but they have cosplays), and some sort of cosplay/manga in most episodes. I haven't seen the extras yet.

morset · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2009, 04:35:27 AM »

VCD format = No way to download ever.

DaggerLite · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2009, 05:48:42 AM »

Quote from: Southrop on August 18, 2009, 12:55:56 AM

Does anime feature in every episode? If so, we may reconsider.

Episode Guide might be helpful to your decision.

neo1024 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2009, 06:55:53 AM »

Quote from: allouh on August 18, 2009, 04:35:27 AM

VCD format = No way to download ever.

It's a pity if you base you watching decision on video format - that way you risk missing out on a lot of great shows. This is the only recording of this particular show...

Quote from: DaggerLite on August 18, 2009, 05:48:42 AM

Quote from: Southrop on August 18, 2009, 12:55:56 AM
Does anime feature in every episode? If so, we may reconsider.
Episode Guide might be helpful to your decision.

By the looks of it, almost all episode have either Manga or Anime reference. In addition to culture references, which help excplaining the backgroung for many of the phenomenons, which are mentioned in various anime shows.

Quote from: Lupin on August 18, 2009, 12:57:36 AM

I say the parts discussing anime/manga should be accepted. As for the rest, I don't think they are related enough.

I'm not against it because I don't want to see it. I'm very much interested it presents. I simply think that the current rules should be followed. Accepting the whole thing bends the rules very much.

It would be difficult to take parts discussing anume/manga as you would have to clip almost every episode, taking bits from different parts of each episode. Just search for "anime" and "manga" string in that Wikipedia page...
It's not that we ask to break or bend the rules. It's more like going onto another plane altogether and creating a special category (Background Watch

) with only this show in it.

PS.: I've included a part of episode 1x02 in http://bakabt.me/torrent/143498/Hayao_Miyazaki_and_Studio_Ghibli_Extras_Collection.html (look under Misc folder) as it was about anime in general and has an interview of Hayao Miyazaki in particular. I also plan to include an extract of 3x05 (with Spirited Away and Pom Poko) in the next swap.

Nazo · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2009, 10:59:04 AM »

Quote from: DaggerLite on August 18, 2009, 05:48:42 AM

Quote from: Southrop on August 18, 2009, 12:55:56 AM
Does anime feature in every episode? If so, we may reconsider.
Episode Guide might be helpful to your decision.

Based on the episode guide, it seems to be focused on a certain theme each episode and they use anime/manga (in addition to other things) as an example to help show whatever they are saying. So in effect, it doesn't really fit under our rules, as most of you have realized.
And I know some of you are asking for it being some sort of special category, but it's not like we have any focus at all on Japanese culture (we don't even have a forum section on this). So unless we change the focus of the site in that direction, it doesn't fit here, no matter how well it is done.
Also, I'd be wary of the fact that it is done by BBC in case they ever want to pursue us for copyright infringement...

neo1024 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2009, 11:11:15 AM »

Quote from: Nazo on August 18, 2009, 10:59:04 AM

Also, I'd be wary of the fact that it is done by BBC in case they ever want to pursue us for copyright infringement...

The last comment made me snort a little..

What about the rest of the content on this site, such as stuff from Ghibli/Disney?

Southrop · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:24:19 PM »

Can I ask you upload the torrent to a different tracker? I'm interested in grabbing it, but we won't be allowing it here, unfortunately.