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Re: The Average American
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2009, 03:37:33 AM »
Is it that amazing that an American knows more than one language

The only Americans that know a second language are the illegal immigrants.


I mean what is the purpose of a street bum knowing the location of New Zealand?

To stop them becoming a street-bum. Knowing where New Zealand is shows that they paid attention in school, so if they know that then they know much more useful things.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2009, 10:13:16 PM »
I mean what is the purpose of a street bum knowing the location of New Zealand?

To stop them becoming a street-bum. Knowing where New Zealand is shows that they paid attention in school, so if they know that then they know much more useful things.

Or they could be a random trivia master?

The point is that we cannot possibly take these stats at face value if we DON'T CONFIRM that these Americans being asked these questions are actually among the hard working (and relatively educated) middle class.

After all you wouldn't take a poor Frenchman off of the streets of Paris and ask him the location of the Eiffel Tower! And even if he actually knows the only reason is because he can beg tourists for money there.

And you would not proceed to base the intelligence of the French off of the opinions and knowledge of people living as drifters in France or those who have not had the educational opportunity the rest of us on this forum have likely been blessed with.

I would like to see that the people being asked these questions about geography and politics are of the majority demographic of this country.

This would be a White male in his late 20's or early 30's with some sort of post-secondary education located in an urban city who is neither a yuppie nor a thug. His father would probably be of Generation X and he will likely be of politically moderate orientation. Let's start with that and maybe I will accept these findings.

This means No rednecks (sorry Texas, Kentucky, others), no high school drop-outs, no dead beat dads and no meat-heads! Let's begin there and see what results we get. I assure you they will be drastically different from what they are now. Even in Alabama! :)

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2009, 12:22:49 AM »
Shall we ask McCain who Germany's president is, and use his answer to judge the educated average Americans' intelligence? After all he's an educated politician lol

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2009, 05:45:08 AM »
Okay furuoshiki, I disagree with what you said. I think if we are going to see how stupid the "average American" is we would have to take people from all classes and demographics. Though you would have to split it even to the populace in that demograpic or class. So that would mean that we would have thugs and yuppies and rednecks and even highschool dropouts in the equation. They are a part of the "average American" since they do live here, it wouldn't be the "average middle class citizen" we are looking for but the whole of America. Now I am going to hit directly on a few points you threw out.

The point is that we cannot possibly take these stats at face value if we DON'T CONFIRM that these Americans being asked these questions are actually among the hard working (and relatively educated) middle class.
These facts alone no, but if you add them in with the middle class and the working class (which by the way is just as big as the middle class or a few percent off) and then add in the enough from the higher class to add a equal grouping from each group then we could, to judge the "average American" for otherwise you won't be looking for the "average American" in the end.

After all you wouldn't take a poor Frenchman off of the streets of Paris and ask him the location of the Eiffel Tower! And even if he actually knows the only reason is because he can beg tourists for money there.

And you would not proceed to base the intelligence of the French off of the opinions and knowledge of people living as drifters in France or those who have not had the educational opportunity the rest of us on this forum have likely been blessed with.
I would, but I know that I wouldn't be using them as the majority of my survey. If you base it off of one group how are we going to know the average between all groups. That would be like saying the other groups aren't a contribution to society, when they are, whether it be a bad or a good they still are a part of the population.

I would like to see that the people being asked these questions about geography and politics are of the majority demographic of this country.

This would be a White male in his late 20's or early 30's with some sort of post-secondary education located in an urban city who is neither a yuppie nor a thug. His father would probably be of Generation X and he will likely be of politically moderate orientation. Let's start with that and maybe I will accept these findings.
Again, if we did it that way how would we find the "average American"? If we aim at just one group what is that going to accomplish in the end for that type of research? Also if we only did white males between twenty and early thirty then what about women, what about the African-Americans and what about the Orientals and the Mexicans? I find as long as they are legally part of our country then aren't they a part of the "average American"? If you aim to specificly you won't accomplish anything with a survey like this.

This means No rednecks (sorry Texas, Kentucky, others), no high school drop-outs, no dead beat dads and no meat-heads! Let's begin there and see what results we get. I assure you they will be drastically different from what they are now. Even in Alabama! :)
Yeah they would be drastically different, but it would be a totally different aim, we would be aiming for the "average middle class citizen" which I believe this was about the "average American" was it not? Last I checked high school drop-outs are still an American citizen, same with "meat-heads" and "dead beat dads" and "rednecks". They do contribute to our "average American" and they always will. Same as the lower class the working class and the rich, they all make up America. So to find the "average American" you have to look at all classes equal to the amount they value as. Just because a person is different doesn't make them any less of an American, and if you take that away from a pursuit to find the "average American" your results would be worth a penny in the gutter to me.
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2009, 05:47:59 AM »
My impression of 'average American citizen' is 'someone who didn't go to college'.

I think everyone in that video fit that description.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2009, 05:58:11 AM »
My impression of 'average American citizen' is 'someone who didn't go to college'.

I think everyone in that video fit that description.
The second part your more then likely right on, the first part I would have to argue about. I know a lot of people that will start and just go threw like a year of college then drop-out due to not being able to afford to go more or just not wanting too. Though I think that the "average American" is a bit smarter then that, but I will say you will still get a good amount of idiots no matter where you go. (No matter which country also)
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2009, 06:00:09 AM »
Mm... I accept 'drop-out' is not a familiar phenomenon to me. All I know is that 1/4 of the U.S.'s adult population did not receive or complete college education.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2009, 06:14:20 AM »
This stuff is child's play.

Youtube "Rick Mercer's Talking to Americans".
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2009, 06:15:07 AM »
I thought it was sitting at 1/8 still...
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2009, 02:09:11 PM »
My impression of 'average American citizen' is 'someone who didn't go to college'.

I think everyone in that video fit that description.

I don't understand how 'didn't go to college' makes them not understand things that are simple enough to have been taught at a young age. Plus college education does not automatically = more intelligent.

I know plenty of people at uni who'll graduate with fantastic degrees, but still be thick as hell about most stuff.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2009, 02:45:40 PM »
Though the majority stat of people who go to college and come out as a smarter person is higher then the not.
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2009, 09:49:43 PM »
My impression of 'average American citizen' is 'someone who didn't go to college'.

I think everyone in that video fit that description.

I don't understand how 'didn't go to college' makes them not understand things that are simple enough to have been taught at a young age. Plus college education does not automatically = more intelligent.

I know plenty of people at uni who'll graduate with fantastic degrees, but still be thick as hell about most stuff.

Agreed. I know many myself.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2009, 10:02:10 PM »
I would love to learn the history of music, but to pay for it not so much. I took a history of music class in middle school and loved it.
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2009, 10:40:32 PM »
I would really like to know where they find these kinds of people, then again i make it a habit to hang around people with an apparent IQ of at least 100. People like that bring physical pain to me. I literally feel as if they are ripping something out of my chest and stomping on it. They just hurt to be around, which might explain why outside my own social circles I'm such a introvert. Perhaps my own subconscious way of keeping the stupid out.  ::)

And the kind of questions they asked have nothing to do with college education or trivia at all. I can understand if they grabbed someone who didn't know simple trivia about a random subject like music, but were talking about the sides of a fucking triangle, one of the simplest shapes. It even has the root word tri right in it, which means three. KFC? Where Australia and America are located? It shouldn't be that hard... These aren't trick questions. People like that are an example of inbred 'i know absolutely jack shit' kind of people who's general knowledge doesn't extend outside of the Mcdonalds dollar menu (and we have to pay for these people? >.<).
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2009, 12:43:01 AM »
According to a research only 37% of the world's people have an average IQ of 90~110... The rest are either too smart or too retarded to properly talk with.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2009, 01:39:25 AM »
Well I'm supposed to have an IQ of like 125. *shrugs*

I would love to find somebody too smart to talk with, at the very least an intellectual conversation once every day to stimulate the mind. Unfortunately you don't find many of those kinds of people around and enough topics to discuss.  :-\

Speaking of topics...
*steers back on topic*
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2009, 01:47:04 AM »
From tests that I have taken I sit around 130-140 area. I have taken about 4 of them. I don't know how accurate to the real test they were, but I know that is my scoring area.

Around my area I would have to say I can find many people to talk to, though I'm a talker. I can talk about the weather for a good 30-60 minutes depending on the type. I can talk about just shapes in the clouds, I also sometimes get to have more intelligent conversations that have me thinking before I speak. I will say that the "average American" probably is a lot bit smarter then those in that video, though I don't know if I would say they sit in the "smart range" on the IQ scale.
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2009, 03:14:57 AM »
People who are "too smart" to talk to people are actually just stupid people with high IQ. There should be no reason why you can't hold a conversation with anyone with relevant interests just because of your IQ. Two people with the same IQ but one loves cars, the other loves gardening probably won't get along.
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Re: The Average American
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2009, 03:18:47 AM »
I think people with high IQ just inherently tend to delve into more esoteric types of interests; at least, more so than people with normal IQ.

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Re: The Average American
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2009, 03:41:06 AM »
I think people with high IQ just inherently tend to delve into more esoteric types of interests; at least, more so than people with normal IQ.

And if I say that comment is full of shit? Moving from one stereotype to another.


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