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Heads up, Americans. Here comes your new toy.
XinWind:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 06, 2009, 03:30:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: XinWind on September 06, 2009, 03:21:35 PM ---Interesting wonder how much money of the US was placed into producing that.
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This is from Wiki:
While the United States is the primary customer and financial backer, the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway and Denmark have agreed to contribute US$4.375 billion toward the development costs of the program. Total development costs are estimated at more than US$40 billion (underwritten largely by the United States), while the purchase of an estimated 2,400 planes is expected to cost an additional US$200 billion. The nine major partner nations plan to acquire over 3,100 F-35s through 2035, making the F-35 one of the most numerous jet fighters.
Participant nations:
Primary customer: USA Level 1 partner: UK Level 2 partner: The Netherlands and Italy Level 3 partner: Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway and Denmark Security Cooperative Participants (SCP): Israel and Singapore
There are three levels of international participation. The levels generally reflect the financial stake in the program, the amount of technology transfer and subcontracts open for bid by national companies, and the order in which countries can obtain production aircraft. The United Kingdom is the sole "Level 1" partner, contributing US$2.5 billion, about 10% of the development costs under the 1995 Memorandum of Understanding that brought the UK into the project. Level 2 partners are Italy, which is contributing US$1 billion; and the Netherlands, US$800 million. Level 3 partners are Canada, US$475 million; Turkey, US$195 million; Australia, US$144 million; Norway, US$122 million and Denmark, US$110 million. Israel and Singapore have joined as Security Cooperative Participants (SCP).
Some of the partner countries have wavered in their public commitment to the JSF program, hinting or warning that unless they receive more subcontracts or technology transfer, they will forsake JSF for the Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, Dassault Rafale or simply upgrade their existing aircraft. Furthermore, F-35 export competitiveness has been hurt by international buyers finding either its export variant too costly per unit or "watered down". While the F-16E/F costs $50 million per export copy, the F-35 is likely to cost between $65–120 million.
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God dam O.O 40billion?! We should be spending some more money into education and stuff than all this. Well at least in my eyes. Too much money is placed into producing weapons.
darkjedi:
Did you know? We get educated so that we can get jobs and get paid to pay the tax that will be used to produce weapons. ;)
XinWind:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 06, 2009, 03:53:31 PM ---Did you know? We get educated so that we can get jobs and get paid to pay the tax that will be used to produce weapons. ;)
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Which is sad if you ask me. Too much money is placed into weapons. A lot of schools have to cut back on getting supplies and some classes because of it or at least around here. Music classes are getting cut, gym supplies can't be bought, no new school books, and stuff.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: XinWind on September 06, 2009, 04:01:44 PM ---Which is sad if you ask me. Too much money is placed into weapons. A lot of schools have to cut back on getting supplies and some classes because of it or at least around here. Music classes are getting cut, gym supplies can't be bought, no new school books, and stuff.
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I believe the problem lies with weak privatization. The education depends too much on the government, you see, most schools being subsidiaries to federal funding. The secondary education, I mean. Just look at some of U.S.'s top universities; Harvard, Standford, what they all share in common is that they are private education institutions, and maybe, because they are ran privately, they are really at the top. :)
For example, the school I'm studying in right now is a sectarian school ran by Dominican clerics. It has its drawbacks, such as its heavy reliance on religious teachings and extracurricular 'community service' stuff, (it just doesn't fit with my selfish and egoistic personality at all) but at least the facilities are maintained at relatively high level considering that it's in a 3rd World country. (Philippines) Since private schools are not as deprived as the public schools which suffer from weak government and economic support, they get more clients than public schools do, and when they get more clients they get more money with which to improve their facility even more and teach better, and so on. I was thinking, what if some of the more affluent Americans took upon themselves the task of building their own schools, on which to educate their own children? Instead of just complaining about the government not being supportive enough. :P
XinWind:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 06, 2009, 04:15:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: XinWind on September 06, 2009, 04:01:44 PM ---Which is sad if you ask me. Too much money is placed into weapons. A lot of schools have to cut back on getting supplies and some classes because of it or at least around here. Music classes are getting cut, gym supplies can't be bought, no new school books, and stuff.
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I believe the problem lies with weak privatization. The education depends too much on the government, you see, most schools being subsidiaries to federal funding. The secondary education, I mean. Just look at some of U.S.'s top universities; Harvard, Standford, what they all share in common is that they are private education institutions, and maybe, because they are ran privately, they are really at the top. :)
For example, the school I'm studying in right now is a sectarian school ran by Dominican clerics. It has its drawbacks, such as its heavy reliance on religious teachings and extracurricular 'community service' stuff, (it just doesn't fit with my selfish and egoistic personality at all) but at least the facilities are maintained at relatively high level considering that it's in a 3rd World country. (Philippines) Since private schools are not as deprived as the public schools which suffer from weak government and economic support, they get more clients than public schools do, and when they get more clients they get more money with which to improve their facility even more and teach better, and so on. I was thinking, what if some of the more affluent Americans took upon themselves the task of building their own schools, on which to educate their own children? Instead of just complaining about the government not being supportive enough. :P
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You do make a point, but private schools don't teach a lot of things because of personal beliefs and don't teach as much as public school does or at least over here.
Over here a lot of the private school teachers don't teach as great as public school teachers. Kinda sad. Over here public teachers are actually their to teach. When private teachers there for the money. All I know is I complain because I think the kids who are growing up are the future if they aren't taught properly and aren't given the supplies to do all that. We won't see a better future for them.
To me private schools have the money, but lack on a lot of things also because its more based on personal beliefs and what they wanna teach the students. When public schools teach a lot more, but lacks the money for a lot of the supplies to do so. I'm not saying all private schools are like this, but from the ones here that I have seen its been like that.
Personally I would love to teach, but I don't have the degree or the smarts to do so.(I ain't too bright.)
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