CCCP 2009-09-09

[Xtras]

Now if only they had a 64 bit version...

[Tatsujin]

Now if only they had a 64 bit version...

......... It works for 64-bit. I uninstalled everything, like, literally, every freaking codec (shit I didn't even know it was there, divx crap and what not). Restarted computer, and installed CCCP without core and tried White Album, had the same issue even with freaking 5GB buffer (lmao). So I unchecked h264 from CCCP and installed CoreAVC. WORKS LIKE A CHARM!

About snap shots and subtitles not showing up, yup. They show up now. I didn't check that VSFilter option(s) ... there were couple of them. Karaoke works like a charm. The thoughts text in White Album fade in and out properly. Man, this is so super awesome! Thanks a lot people. CCCP + CoreAVC = UNSTOPPABLE! For now.

[Xtras]

I know it works, but doesnt ffdshow and all have x64 versions? I am pretty sure you will get more performance out of a 64 bit program than a 32bit program running in virtual mode.

BTW, doesn't the CCCP with MPC do upscaling? I was wondering if that would still work if I replaced MPC with WMP.

[Arveene]

Now if only they had a 64 bit version...

......... It works for 64-bit. I uninstalled everything, like, literally, every freaking codec (shit I didn't even know it was there, divx crap and what not). Restarted computer, and installed CCCP without core and tried White Album, had the same issue even with freaking 5GB buffer (lmao). So I unchecked h264 from CCCP and installed CoreAVC. WORKS LIKE A CHARM!

About snap shots and subtitles not showing up, yup. They show up now. I didn't check that VSFilter option(s) ... there were couple of them. Karaoke works like a charm. The thoughts text in White Album fade in and out properly. Man, this is so super awesome! Thanks a lot people. CCCP + CoreAVC = UNSTOPPABLE! For now.

Working in a 64-bit OS doesn't mean the program / codecs are 64-bit themselves. CCCP installs in the x86 program files folder.

xtras: While there isn't a 64 bit version of cccp, there are x64 versions of most things. I actually mangaged to get x64 versions of everything working on Win 7 x64 RC. MPC-HC worked fairly well with no big problems. I wanted to use Media Center though, and ran into a few issues with that. I eventually said screw it and went with x86 for my HTPC.

[Tatsujin]

Came to a new problem. In beginning of episode 1 of EF ~ Tales of Melodies / time from 52 to 1:09 ... I get from 2 to 5 FPS. So something is seriously freaking off. Doesn't happen in White Album but I'm sure I'll encounter problems like this. I wish there was a god damn freaking option that says "Please use full resources to get the best possible FPS and picture quality" or something. my fingers are tired...

Nevermind, problems solved. Check the spoilers to see my current set up. Advices are appreciated. I just went back to the text that annoyed me.

Pictures are very big, be careful. My setup is inside.

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[Xtras]

xtras: While there isn't a 64 bit version of cccp, there are x64 versions of most things. I actually mangaged to get x64 versions of everything working on Win 7 x64 RC. MPC-HC worked fairly well with no big problems. I wanted to use Media Center though, and ran into a few issues with that. I eventually said screw it and went with x86 for my HTPC.

Does MPC-HC upscale videos better than Windows media player if they are both using the same CCCP stuff? And do Haali Media Splitter and all work better with MPC?

By the way, if it isn't too much trouble, could you post links to where you found x64 versions of all the CCCP stuff. I keep getting only the 32 bit installers...

[darren42]

you only need a 64bit codec pack if you plan to play videos using a 64bit player such as

* Windows Media Centre (in a 64bit OS)
* Media Player Classic 64bit

[Tatsujin]

you only need a 64bit codec pack if you plan to play videos using a 64bit player such as

* Windows Media Centre (in a 64bit OS)
* Media Player Classic 64bit

I downloaded the 64-bit two days ago. What's the difference in the one inside the new CCCP and the 64-bit? Anything 64-bit can get out of?

[Xtras]

you only need a 64bit codec pack if you plan to play videos using a 64bit player such as

* Windows Media Centre (in a 64bit OS)
* Media Player Classic 64bit

I downloaded the 64-bit two days ago. What's the difference in the one inside the new CCCP and the 64-bit? Anything 64-bit can get out of?

64 bit codecs help make full use of the hardware you have if you have a good computer. Also I hear 64 bit codecs with a good 64 bit player can upscale better as well. Can't confirm this though as I am just using 32bit CCCP with WMP 12 right now.

But still I am curious. What is so great about MPC that people recommend it so much. Does it do something better than WMP 12? And what would be best for upscaling the video (I want to be able to full screen things that aren't the full resolution, without getting too much pixelation and stuff).

[Tatsujin]

you only need a 64bit codec pack if you plan to play videos using a 64bit player such as

* Windows Media Centre (in a 64bit OS)
* Media Player Classic 64bit

I downloaded the 64-bit two days ago. What's the difference in the one inside the new CCCP and the 64-bit? Anything 64-bit can get out of?

64 bit codecs help make full use of the hardware you have if you have a good computer. Also I hear 64 bit codecs with a good 64 bit player can upscale better as well. Can't confirm this though as I am just using 32bit CCCP with WMP 12 right now.

But still I am curious. What is so great about MPC that people recommend it so much. Does it do something better than WMP 12? And what would be best for upscaling the video (I want to be able to full screen things that aren't the full resolution, without getting too much pixelation and stuff).

It's for anime. VLC sucks, Zoom Player is ... no comment. WMP is like for music and DVD/Blu-ray ISO and actual disks if you have them. If you're going to play it from a file that you have (excluding ISO), then MPC is the way to go. Renders very smoothly. Anyways, this is where you can get 64x:

http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/Vista64.html

Problem is that it doesn't support Haali Splitter (yet). Don't see any real advantage on the website to be honest. I'll just stick with what I have till 64-bit Haali comes out.

[Arveene]

xtras: While there isn't a 64 bit version of cccp, there are x64 versions of most things. I actually mangaged to get x64 versions of everything working on Win 7 x64 RC. MPC-HC worked fairly well with no big problems. I wanted to use Media Center though, and ran into a few issues with that. I eventually said screw it and went with x86 for my HTPC.

Does MPC-HC upscale videos better than Windows media player if they are both using the same CCCP stuff? And do Haali Media Splitter and all work better with MPC?

By the way, if it isn't too much trouble, could you post links to where you found x64 versions of all the CCCP stuff. I keep getting only the 32 bit installers...

x64 ffdshow can be found here.

I used the x64 version of DirectVobSub found here.

Finally, I grabbed the x64 Matroska Splitter found here.
Edit: You'll probably want the other splitters too found in the above repository.

Yeah.. it took some searching, and some tweaking to get stuff to work, but for the most part files played with MPC-HC (Edit: Of course they would, durr. The main issue was Media Center). Getting all of this to work with Media Center.. was a chore, and stuff would still break occasionally for no discernible reason.

[Xtras]

It's for anime. VLC sucks, Zoom Player is ... no comment. WMP is like for music and DVD/Blu-ray ISO and actual disks if you have them. If you're going to play it from a file that you have (excluding ISO), then MPC is the way to go. Renders very smoothly. Anyways, this is where you can get 64x:

http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/Vista64.html

Problem is that it doesn't support Haali Splitter (yet). Don't see any real advantage on the website to be honest. I'll just stick with what I have till 64-bit Haali comes out.

Actually I tried MPC-HC once. I ran ACX's IGPX encode through it. Quality came out noticeably worse than WMP 12 with CCCP when the video was fullscreened (mind MPC wasn't using the CCCP codecs at the time, I think it was using its own internal stuff). And to be honest, I kinda like what they have done with the new WMP. Try it out for a while you will see what I mean. Very crash proof, very smooth, very light. Its window shows nothing but the video itself and only if you hover over it does it show anything else. All buttons and everything are glassed. The only problem I see is that it cant take screenshots or display detailed media information, and I have KMPlayer for that (which I only use because it puts cool icons for all of my video files). I think I will stick with it unless someone can say with certainty that MPC plays with better quality than WMP 12.

Arveene:Thanks a lot for the 64 bit links. I'll try them out right now.

But i will ask. Does having 64bit FFDShow and everything improve playback in anyway?

[bloody000]

Try using EVR_C/A and bicubic scaler in MPC-HC.
Video playback isn't black magic. The basic idea is to demux/split, decode, pp and render. if you're seeing a big difference, the luma level is probably set incorrectly or something like color space conversion went wrong or you are seeing the differences of post-processing(or renderer).
PS: MPC/MPC-HC, ffdshow/ffdshow tryouts(CCCP), they are all ffmpeg based.
PPS: I read that Win7 media apps prefers Windows' Media Foundation codecs over any DS filters. However I never tested/verified it since I use neither WMP nor WMC.

*PPPS: 64-bit filters allow you to use them in 64-bit apps. That's about the only thing that matters.

[Takeshi]

xtras, I find it funny that you prefer WMP before MPC. Can you offer any proof of the so-called bad playback that WMP doesn't do? I find MPC to be far superior. Of course, in my old days I used to use WMP because it was already installed, but features such as correcting a bad aspect ratio made me switch.

[Klocknov]

So finally CCCP gets a new pack, I can finally go back from K-Lite Codec pack to CCCP. I also think I am going to try CoreAVC also since it seems like a great choice.

So now to the media player side, what is so wrong with Zoom? I have had Zoom Player Max for a bit over a year now and haven't noticed any problems. I may look at flipping over to MPC-HC but I really haven't seen any reason to as of the moment. Is there something major I am missing that puts MPC-HC above Zoom in quality playback?? Main reason for asking this now is I am planning on doing a format and re-installing everything on this computer. I want to make sure this has the best playback possible.

[Sosseres]

I think MPC HC has better support for offloading the CPU partially to the GPU.

[fohfoh]

Personally, I bet they just chucked one to get rid of bloat.

[Tatsujin]

So finally CCCP gets a new pack, I can finally go back from K-Lite Codec pack to CCCP. I also think I am going to try CoreAVC also since it seems like a great choice.

So now to the media player side, what is so wrong with Zoom? I have had Zoom Player Max for a bit over a year now and haven't noticed any problems. I may look at flipping over to MPC-HC but I really haven't seen any reason to as of the moment. Is there something major I am missing that puts MPC-HC above Zoom in quality playback?? Main reason for asking this now is I am planning on doing a format and re-installing everything on this computer. I want to make sure this has the best playback possible.

Renders everything for me perfectly. Instant auto-snap shot without pause/lag/skips even playing the highest format available, 1080p/flac files that is and I auto-snap shot a lot of things (If I didn't like the series around 200-500, if I did around 700 to over 2000 depending on how many episodes there is). Haali Splitter, buffers videos very well. Supports Dolby 5.1 surround sound channel (I play through optical, 5.1 channel, 505 Watts and peaks to a 1000+ but well, I don't use it that high). Plays video and audio in separate streams but in parallel (which option was that again?). Shows on MSN that I'm playing a video (which mostly is anime). Plays all the codecs I want, even the Ogg which I consider to be the worst codec-ever.

Downside is it doesn't support ISO (what the hell?!). Wish it did, I wouldn't have went to WMP for ISO. If WMP would have all these features like MPC then I would switch to it simply because WMP has a better performance video playback.

[Klocknov]

Okay it looks like I may flip over to MPC-HC with CCCP and CoreAVC

[Tatsujin]

Okay it looks like I may flip over to MPC-HC with CCCP and CoreAVC

Very good choices. Uncheck the h.264 in CCCP to let CoreAVC handle it. If you use Haali Splitters increase the buffer from 8MB to 100+ MB. You can also check a priorty box in options in MPC-HC to give it a performance boost (if thats what it does).