Author Topic: CCCP 2009-09-09 (Read 9676 times)

Klocknov · « **Reply #40 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:01:15 PM »

Looks like I get to do a lot of playing with settings again, and my Haali Splitter was set already at 256mb so it should be perfectly fine (it shot up to that once I started watching Dennou Coil in 720p) I was thinking of going to 512, do you think that would make any difference as in would it make it lag more or become smoother?

Tatsujin · « **Reply #41 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:33:54 PM »

Quote from: Klocknov on September 12, 2009, 02:01:15 PM

Looks like I get to do a lot of playing with settings again, and my Haali Splitter was set already at 256mb so it should be perfectly fine (it shot up to that once I started watching Dennou Coil in 720p) I was thinking of going to 512, do you think that would make any difference as in would it make it lag more or become smoother?

I notched it to 50GB, lmao. Where would it reside anyways? In the memory that you have or on your HDD? I'd say just notch it to 2GB for now. I don't think there is a good (awesome!) codec out there yet other than Haali Splitter. I'm sure they'll come out with something better than Haali or they may upgrade Haali to something better.

Talapus · « **Reply #42 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:45:38 PM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on September 12, 2009, 02:33:54 PM

I don't think there is a good (awesome!) codec out there yet other than Haali Splitter. I'm sure they'll come out with something better than Haali or they may upgrade Haali to something better.

Haali is a file splitter, not a codec. Which is why it has to be used in conjunction with actual codecs. All it does it break up the file stream.

Xtras · « **Reply #43 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:24:03 PM »

Quote from: Sosseres on September 12, 2009, 11:31:20 AM

I think MPC HC has better support for offloading the CPU partially to the GPU.

I thought that offloading to GPU needed its own separate software (most of which is not cheap)

Quote from: Takeshi

xtras, I find it funny that you prefer WMP before MPC. Can you offer any proof of the so-called bad playback that WMP doesn't do? I find MPC to be far superior. Of course, in my old days I used to use WMP because it was already installed, but features such as correcting a bad aspect ratio made me switch.

Generally speaking I would agree with you. Windows Media Player 11 and below were not good enough to complete with MPC and KMPlayer and GOM and VLC and whatever else. Were it not for the name, I wouldn't have guessed WMP12 was from the same family as all those other crappy 11 and under players microsoft has shelled out. I probably haven't messed around with the settings enough, but from how they look straight out of the installers, WMP 12 takes the win when I fullscreen OZC's Outlaw Star, AHQ's Gundam Seed Destiny, and ACX's IGPX. Actually I know for sure I am probably doing something wrong because MPC is giving me chunks of pixelation scattered around. It might work better than WMP 12 in the long run, but I just don't want to go through and mess with settings until it works perfectly. WMP does what I need and does it well. It has no excess crap like the other versions, and is very light and very fast. I will assure you, it is not nearly as bad as the old windows media players. I believe 12 is still a beta, and generally can only be found on Windows 7.

Quote from: bloody000

I read that Win7 media apps prefers Windows' Media Foundation codecs over any DS filters.

It can be modified if you really care to. But these codecs aren't bad. The new H 264 one is actually better than the one that is included in CCCP in terms of how versatile it tackling possible variations in encoding (I have had several sources tell me the same).

kureshii · « **Reply #44 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:36:15 PM »

I used to use ZoomPlayer Home MAX, but just switched to MPC-HC today. There was only one reason for the switch, but it was a good enough reason to motivate me: custom shader support. It's probably not a concern for most people, but I have a wide-gamut PVA LCD which results in oversaturated reds. Imagine flesh tones looking like they have a lightbulb underneath making it extra glowy (put a torchlight under your hand if you don't get what I mean).

[edit] For a more visual representation, I tried to create two images (from an Index screenshot) that show the difference. Of course I can't do this really accurately since colour representation is slightly different on each monitor, but the relative differences in colour should be pretty obvious.

Without colour correction:

With colour correction:

My colour calibrator finally arrived today, so with the help of this thread I managed to create a custom shader that pulls video colours back into sRGB space. Sadly, video players do not have colour management support yet, so this is pretty much the only way I can watch my videos with normal colours.

This can be done with a custom filter in ffmpeg too AFAIK, but since I'm using CoreAVC (running on a laptop with IGP so there's no way I can DXVA/vdpau/CUDA) that's not an option for me.

Took some time to set up keyboard shortcuts in MPC-HC, but now I'm quite pleased with it. I still miss some things about Zoom Player though, mainly UI-related changes and features, and certain aspects of presentation (auto-playlist and auto-AR FTW!).

Actually, I don't really care which media players CCCP bundles with it (I wouldn't mind if they removed both either), since I got both Zoom Player and MPC-HC from other sources.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #45 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:43:24 PM »

Quote from: kureshii on September 12, 2009, 03:36:15 PM

I used to use ZoomPlayer Home MAX, but just switched to MPC-HC today. There was only one reason for the switch, but it was a good enough reason to motivate me: custom shader support. It's probably not a concern for most people, but I have a wide-gamut PVA LCD which results in oversaturated reds. Imagine flesh tones looking like they have a lightbulb underneath making it extra glowy (put a torchlight under your hand if you don't get what I mean).

My colour calibrator finally arrived today, so with the help of this thread I managed to create a custom shader that pulls video colours back into sRGB space. Sadly, video players do not have colour management support yet, so this is pretty much the only way I can watch my videos with normal colours.

This can be done with a custom filter in ffmpeg too AFAIK, but since I'm using CoreAVC (running on a laptop with IGP so there's no way I can DXVA/vdpau/CUDA) that's not an option for me.

Took some time to set up keyboard shortcuts in MPC-HC, but now I'm quite pleased with it. I still miss some things about Zoom Player though, mainly UI-related changes and features, and certain aspects of presentation.

Actually, I don't really care which media players CCCP bundles with it (I wouldn't mind if they removed both either), since I got both Zoom Player and MPC-HC from other sources.

Never understood what Shaders were, I think I do now from your explanation.

Klocknov · « **Reply #46 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:25:57 PM »

so yeah I found that it has fixed a few errors I was having with my sound drivers over on Zoom Player on MPC, so you know what it was well worth the change, I have been fighting and finding temporary fixes (by temporary I mean codec by codec fixes) and with MPC after re-installing the codecs I have yet to run into any of those problems. So yay no more playing with the back bones of the audio codecs... Also I have noticed bit smoother play (may be that I'm back to CCCP from K-Lite though since K-Lite is more just a mass collection of codecs...). Also I will say I have fallen in love with CoreAVC, I now can quite lovingly watch HD anime on this computer with no skips!

darren42 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2009, 12:24:16 AM »

i use haali media splitter with the default 8mb and it works fine with all my videos, including the 1080p and 720p

i use k-lite mega codec pack personally and the 64-bit k-lite codec pack

Tatsujin · « **Reply #48 on:** September 13, 2009, 03:45:07 AM »

Quote from: darren42 on September 13, 2009, 12:24:16 AM

i use haali media splitter with the default 8mb and it works fine with all my videos, including the 1080p and 720p

i use k-lite mega codec pack personally and the 64-bit k-lite codec pack

It doesn't for me. I can't give any solid reason but I had to increase the buffer. It works like a charm.

I tried this shader thing, keeps saying that I don't have it or something. Oh well.

Sosseres · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2009, 09:02:59 PM »

Just installed this over a ~3 month old CCCP beta release and this worked better for my test file. Much fewer frame drops than the previous version had.

Klocknov · « **Reply #50 on:** September 14, 2009, 05:29:36 AM »

I had to raise it a few times before to get stuff running smoothly, I moved it up to like 56mb then just said the hell with it and jumped it to 256mb. Now I think I have it set at 512mb, it seems to help with this older computer and running things smoothly. Before my other compy fried I had no problem running the 8mb buffer. I will say I can't wait till I can clean this all up and just run it as a chat and seed box.

mgz · « **Reply #51 on:** September 14, 2009, 05:06:12 PM »

the reason i switched from zoom to mpc, was that the clarity on the exact same files was really noticeable on my tv, so despite the fact that i prefer the controls of zoom i switched to mpc.

On my hellsing OVA 6 it was really obvious, went from like blurry as fuck for the subbing to crystal clear

bloody000 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:03:44 PM »

Quote from: mgz on September 14, 2009, 05:06:12 PM

the reason i switched from zoom to mpc, was that the clarity on the exact same files was really noticeable on my tv, so despite the fact that i prefer the controls of zoom i switched to mpc.

On my hellsing OVA 6 it was really obvious, went from like blurry as fuck for the subbing to crystal clear

adjust sub texture size in DirectVobSub/MPC/ffdshow.

mgz · « **Reply #53 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:41:55 PM »

wasnt just the subtitle size, EVERYTHING was affected but the subtitles were already quite small, so it was very noticeable when i played it in mpc and it went from blurry to crystal clear.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #54 on:** September 14, 2009, 08:12:31 PM »

Quote from: mgz on September 14, 2009, 06:41:55 PM

wasnt just the subtitle size, EVERYTHING was affected but the subtitles were already quite small, so it was very noticeable when i played it in mpc and it went from blurry to crystal clear.

+1

psyren · « **Reply #55 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:15:00 AM »

kureshii: ewwww...

Also, Firefox does its own colour corrections, so it may not be the best example to post it here.

kureshii · « **Reply #56 on:** September 15, 2009, 01:28:37 AM »

Quote from: psyren on September 15, 2009, 12:15:00 AM

kureshii: ewwww...

Yeah, wide gamuts should be a good thing, but wide-gamut LCDs are screwed over by the lack of good software support and colour-awareness in applications

Quote from: psyren on September 15, 2009, 12:15:00 AM

Also, Firefox does its own colour corrections, so it may not be the best example to post it here.

It's fine, I converted both images into sRGB colour space and tagged them with an sRGB profile, even if it's not quite close to what I'm seeing on my screen, they should render properly in any case. (Even if they don't, on non-colour-aware monitors, the relative colour differences are easily apparent; colour accuracy on the web is a lost cause since the large majority of displays are uncalibrated anyway.)

Rhino · « **Reply #57 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:11:20 AM »

is anyone using the DivX H.264 Decoder instead of FFDShow that came with cccp ? im just curious because i can play 720 HD anime just fine but i get a lag when i play the 1080 HD and a few of my friends have been telling me to go that route ?

Lupin · « **Reply #58 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:15:16 AM »

Quote from: Rhino on September 17, 2009, 12:11:20 AM

is anyone using the DivX H.264 Decoder instead of FFDShow that came with cccp ? im just curious becaus i can play 720 HD anime just fine bug i get a lag when i play the 1080 HD and a few of my friends have been telling me to go that route ?

DivX's H264 decoder is one of the faster decoders out there.

Xtras · « **Reply #59 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:20:57 AM »

I will also vouch for the new MS H 264 decoder that comes in the new set of windows stuff (WMP 12, W7 etc.). It is better than FFDShows also, but still outclassed by CoreAVC.