Discussion Forums > Politics
Obama's Health Care Speech 9-9-9... Way to go Repubs... :\
Mag-X:
--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 01, 2009, 12:23:11 AM --- It makes it horrible if you go into the ER with a real reason other then the sniffles, like when I go with a broken arm, I normally would have like a 3 hour wait
--- End quote ---
3 hours? According to the Republicans you obviously live in Canada with a wait time like that. That could never happen in doesn't-need-to-be-fixed-America-fuck-yeah.
kostya:
--- Quote from: mgz on September 14, 2009, 01:11:15 PM ---If you walk into an emergency room with a cold and are an illegal immigrant and cant pay. They cant refuse to treat you.
--- End quote ---
Every doctors office and hospital I have been to has a nice sign by the door saying that they treat without proof of insurance. That is how it should be. Health care is a basic human need. I don't care how a person entered the county, he/she should not be denied the basic needs. At the end of the day, we are all human. It is illegal to murder and steal from illegal aliens for the same reason.
Klocknov:
--- Quote from: Mag-X on October 01, 2009, 04:46:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 01, 2009, 12:23:11 AM --- It makes it horrible if you go into the ER with a real reason other then the sniffles, like when I go with a broken arm, I normally would have like a 3 hour wait
--- End quote ---
3 hours? According to the Republicans you obviously live in Canada with a wait time like that. That could never happen in doesn't-need-to-be-fixed-America-fuck-yeah.
--- End quote ---
You know what, I live in the US and those Republicans can go fly a kite since they really don't care for better health-care and just want the money.
Now back to the topic on hand.
Okay as much as I hate watching Illegals get treated, with a public health-care system it wouldn't hit us as badly, well that is if they added them to be supported. I think the kids definitely should be, but the parents I think should have to do something in paying back the country for their health-care since that would be the right thing to do. I don't find it fair that they can go in get treated and walk out and not pay a cent and increase the rates for the rest of us. Though that would be helped a lot if we moved to a public system.
Now also the health-care system could work out a way to be better with even the current system. If we added say public health-care they still could set up private-care institutes that require a bit extra of insurance for a faster service. Instead we look at all the propaganda they threw up on TV and the net and bow down to the all holy and righteous media. I will have to say I agree with Obama for once, did those people even look at the fucking bill or did they just go with those fucking right wing zealots bullshit. I may have the no job no school no health insurance helping pull me into this bill, but I even thought it would be a better system setup before this. Also if you look at it by statistics we probably would end up with a healthier country in the long run. Also if we added in a private sector that required insurance for quicker response then the insurance companies wouldn't have anything to throw a hussy over.
kyanwan:
Why are Democrats whining about Republicans?
They don't need a single Republican vote. They don't need any Republican support. They should be more like Republicans: Just fucking do it. They're afraid to go alone. They're wishy-washy weak spineless fools. They want SOMEONE to blame when it fails (and it will - because the expensive COST of healthcare is UNSUPPORTABLE - something needs to be done about COST first - NOT SUPPORTING THE HIGH COST FOR THE WHOLE NATION. Drag down the cost THEN insure. Make it CHEAPER before you make an option. What the hell is so hard about that? What's so hard to understand? )
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 10, 2009, 01:37:57 AM ---If this doesn't prove the party isn't batshit crazy, I don't know what does.
Joe Wilson (R) of S. Carolina in the middle of Obama's speech: "You Lie!"
Video: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/09/you_lie.php?ref=fpblg
Only, Obama wasn't.
--- Quote ---Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
--- End quote ---
Source
So, he's either a republican so blinded by the money the lobbyists are paying him and/or his party that he doesn't care, or he's a complete moron to object in such a manner without having any clue what he's talking about.
--- End quote ---
Technically - he's right.
What doctor in their right mind would let a man die in front of their eyes? They will treat. Regardless of whether the person is a citizen, or non-citizen.
The treatment of a person will be completed, if it is paid for - all is good. If it is not, compensation will be extracted from elsewhere.
This is not a question of policy, insurance, healthcare, politics ... but one of humanity and morals.
No person should be denied aid if they are in need.
IF there were a rule to deny care to non-citizens/illegals - I WOULD support a small tax to provide emergency assistance for life-threatening conditions to a person who is unable to be covered under any option offered. ( I'm positive it would be negligible. )
It's not right to let a person die. Sure - care about your money, care about how much tax you pay - but don't throw aside humanity. Once you toss that aside - the next step is monster.
--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 01, 2009, 06:44:01 AM ---You know what, I live in the US and those Republicans can go fly a kite since they really don't care for better health-care and just want the money.
--- End quote ---
Why won't the Democrats put limits on malpractice claims then?
Malpractice claims and insurance are the highest cost for the healthcare industry. Cutting costs is one way to raise profits - the other way is to raise prices.
If the cost of doing business is lowered, the price of the product will be lowered.
If the price does not fall - THEN you regulate.
Why won't congress attack the lawyers?
Because they are lawyers.
Talk about lobby - they ARE the lobby.
--- Quote from: kostya on October 01, 2009, 04:50:21 AM ---Every doctors office and hospital I have been to has a nice sign by the door saying that they treat without proof of insurance. That is how it should be. Health care is a basic human need. I don't care how a person entered the county, he/she should not be denied the basic needs. At the end of the day, we are all human. It is illegal to murder and steal from illegal aliens for the same reason.
--- End quote ---
In the words of the Constitution: "All men are created equal"
If there was a question as to citizenship, it would have read: "all citizens are created equal"
Notice it doesn't say that. There's hypocrisy on both sides.
relic2279:
--- Quote from: kyanwan on October 01, 2009, 11:36:02 PM ---Technically - he's right.
What doctor in their right mind would let a man die in front of their eyes? They will treat. Regardless of whether the person is a citizen, or non-citizen.
--- End quote ---
No, He's absolutely wrong. Obama said illegals weren't covered under the public option plan. That's the statement at which he yelled "You Lie!". Which Obama wasn't lying.
Treatment of illegals while uninsured or not covered is an entirely different matter. You're confusing the two.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version