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Obama's Health Care Speech 9-9-9... Way to go Repubs... :\
kostya:
--- Quote from: kostya on October 01, 2009, 04:50:21 AM ---Every doctors office and hospital I have been to has a nice sign by the door saying that they treat without proof of insurance. That is how it should be. Health care is a basic human need. I don't care how a person entered the county, he/she should not be denied the basic needs. At the end of the day, we are all human. It is illegal to murder and steal from illegal aliens for the same reason.
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In the words of the Constitution: "All men are created equal"
If there was a question as to citizenship, it would have read: "all citizens are created equal"
Notice it doesn't say that. There's hypocrisy on both sides.
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No, that is the declaration of independence. The constitution is a document that deals with the general design of the government (defines the 3 branches, states' rights etc.). The amendments to the constitution, which is what you were thinking of, are a contract between the government and the people to not abuse the most basic of human rights (imprisonment without charges, free speech) unless the government explicitly denies the rights (such as in times of war).
But I will agree that the US government does have a good track record of giving equal human rights to all people regardless of alien status.
vicious796:
Here we go again, misunderstanding a simple sentence. Where does it say that all men are always equal. Let me break it down for you (once more).
--- Quote from: DoI ---We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Let's look at bold number 1, as that's the key word there. CREATED. At birth (when we are created) we are equal and what we do after that determines status. I'm sick of people crying for equal treatment and quoting that line incorrectly. Ladies and gentlemen of bakabt, I wish you would read it as it is. Created, not eternal. At birth we are the same and after that we carve our own path in our own, personal, pursuit of happiness. At birth we are alive, we have our own mind, and we can do as we please to be happy.
--- Quote from: DoI ---That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
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This says that we, the governed, create a government that allows us to go about our lives pursuing happiness however we choose to. Free men choose the United States government, not equal men.
A man who rose up from the gutters to live a good life with good benefits is better than a man who chooses to stay in that environment, saying it's all they've ever known. He is ENTITLED to pursue his happiness, not have it given to him. It is his right to have the things before him that he can afford and make his own decisions on how to spend the money that he's earned.
mgz:
--- Quote from: kostya on October 02, 2009, 12:49:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: kostya on October 01, 2009, 04:50:21 AM ---Every doctors office and hospital I have been to has a nice sign by the door saying that they treat without proof of insurance. That is how it should be. Health care is a basic human need. I don't care how a person entered the county, he/she should not be denied the basic needs. At the end of the day, we are all human. It is illegal to murder and steal from illegal aliens for the same reason.
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In the words of the Constitution: "All men are created equal"
If there was a question as to citizenship, it would have read: "all citizens are created equal"
Notice it doesn't say that. There's hypocrisy on both sides.
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i think you are confusing what denial of treatment is and a right.
You have the right to persue happiness, does that mean everyone is happy NO.
You have the right to go to a doctor and PAY for medical treatment.
Why no the doctor paid hundreds of thousands for his education why not expect patients who receive treatment to do the same.
Denying someone treatment is not saying they cant have treatment its saying if you cant pay me or have insurance pay me im not treating you.
plain and simple
No, that is the declaration of independence. The constitution is a document that deals with the general design of the government (defines the 3 branches, states' rights etc.). The amendments to the constitution, which is what you were thinking of, are a contract between the government and the people to not abuse the most basic of human rights (imprisonment without charges, free speech) unless the government explicitly denies the rights (such as in times of war).
But I will agree that the US government does have a good track record of giving equal human rights to all people regardless of alien status.
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vicious796:
Obama's best speech was by a HORRIBLE impersonation of him on SNL and it features the BEST version of Relic's list of accomplishments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqJbjLIzykU&feature=related
molbjerg:
American politics is insane and pathetic.
Although I have to say British politics is making me want to cry these days.
One of the few remaining things that makes me proud of my country, the NHS is top of the list. I think it says a lot about our culture that even the lowest of the low get treatment. I think it says a lot about Americans that they resist the idea so much. WHAT? SPEND OUR TAXES ON SAVING LIVES INSTEAD OF BOMBS?!??! ZOMG
I think it's completely unethical to have someone wheeled into hospital, needing help - do you have a piece of paper? No. Ok, die then.
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