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Obama's Health Care Speech 9-9-9... Way to go Repubs... :\

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Klocknov:
My main question is where is the money coming from to foot this bill right now, this is a trillion dollar investment. We have already spent more in the first six months with Obama as president as we did in eight years of Bush, were did all the money come from to pay for this?

Though past that I want to see this bill go threw. I find that most my jobs end up being part time jobs that don't offer health insurance. I have bounced from PT job to PT job since 17 years old, and the only time I ever had health insurance was when I was going to school, and that was under my mum. So I find that it benefits more people then it won't. Yeah you will have those people that will drop their jobs and go for unemployment, but that only will last them so long. They do reviews to make sure your at least trying to find work, so you trying to use that as an excuse truly doesn't work. Though you have a valid point with the welfare puppies, though they mostly have health insurance anyways so that really doesn't factor much into this.

fohfoh:

--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---

--- Quote from: fohfoh ---I still think a public + private health care system makes more sense. The hybrid allows for people who need instant care, to get it if they can pay. Those who need help, but can wait... then do so. Why everyone always thinks that it instantly swaps as if the government is going to go, "OK, we're taking over control of health care now. Please hand over assets like a good citizen." is beyond me.
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Because we've seen rapid government takeovers recently that are rather astounding. Look at the car manufacturers and mortgage companies, the government just bought them without really blinking an eye at first. It was this massive multi-billion dollar takeover that the taxpayers are going to be paying for for generations. Now we're talking about a continual tax to pay for millions of people and no guarantee on our money. Congress has tried to RUSH something through that probably deserves a really, really, really long and hard look. Why? Because it's not going to affect them personally. They've already refused to sign off on using the public option if they voted for it, what does that tell you? Either it's not good enough for them but it is for their constituency or they have no real idea what it is they're pushing so they're hesitant to go for it.

If I'm going to be stuck paying for something, I want to know it will work and work well. I want to know it's gone through all kinds of changes to be the closest thing to perfect they could come up with, not something they slapped together in 3 months and blew through to pat themselves on the back on what great humanitarians they are.

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Fixed. Sorry for error.

But seriously. This issue has been in the air long before the bailouts. So technically, it's different. People always assumed that public health care would be government controlled, but people didn't consider having some huge companies being owned by the government.

vicious796:

--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 06, 2009, 04:02:43 PM ---My main question is where is the money coming from to foot this bill right now, this is a trillion dollar investment. We have already spent more in the first six months with Obama as president as we did in eight years of Bush, were did all the money come from to pay for this?

Though past that I want to see this bill go threw. I find that most my jobs end up being part time jobs that don't offer health insurance. I have bounced from PT job to PT job since 17 years old, and the only time I ever had health insurance was when I was going to school, and that was under my mum. So I find that it benefits more people then it won't. Yeah you will have those people that will drop their jobs and go for unemployment, but that only will last them so long. They do reviews to make sure your at least trying to find work, so you trying to use that as an excuse truly doesn't work. Though you have a valid point with the welfare puppies, though they mostly have health insurance anyways so that really doesn't factor much into this.

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Sure, the system is laid out to work that way (with the reviews), but just like everything else managed by the government, it never does. There are PLENTY of people who have never worked a day in their life but have collected welfare that whole time.

relic2279:

--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---
I honestly don't see how people don't get jobs. I've never had a problem in any state I've ever lived in. Are they the BEST jobs? No. But money is money in a tight spot and responsible people do what they have to do to get things done.

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A good portion of this health care reform deals with the insurance companies. Directly. Not allowing them to drop you and/or rejecting you for previous conditions or error in paper work. Which if something were to happen to you right now, it'd be the first thing they'd do. Look for ways NOT to cover you. Their bottom line is money. Not your health.




--- Quote ---What are you talking about, insurance companies don't work at a state level?
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I think you misunderstood me, Insurance companies are companies that do business at the national level. They're structured to do business in America's economy. Not at the state level. It's much easier to get something done like this at the national level than just having a free for all at the state level. It's also in my opinion, unrealistic.



--- Quote ---I'll tell you a flat out truth - those who don't work hard don't deserve the benefits and nice things in life that you and I enjoy. They flat out don't.
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I don't disagree with that at all.

fohfoh:
I'm pretty sure that in my province, one of the requirements of getting health care (unless a special case) is to work for a certain amount of hours in the province. That means if you're from an external province, you need to fulfill that requirement. However, sometimes that requirement is waved due to extenuating circumstances or by proving the criteria is met elsewhere (but usually rare).

The amount I think is only like 20 or 30 hours, unless they changed it, but it's still there.

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