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Obama's Health Care Speech 9-9-9... Way to go Repubs... :\
vicious796:
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--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---
I honestly don't see how people don't get jobs. I've never had a problem in any state I've ever lived in. Are they the BEST jobs? No. But money is money in a tight spot and responsible people do what they have to do to get things done.
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A good portion of this health care reform deals with the insurance companies. Directly. Not allowing them to drop you and/or rejecting you for previous conditions or error in paper work. Which if something were to happen to you right now, it'd be the first thing they'd do. Look for ways NOT to cover you. Their bottom line is money. Not your health.
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They aren't doctors, they're businesses. A car dealership doesn't care about my driving record if I'm trying to buy a Viper, they care about how much I'm putting down and what my credit score is. If the money stops coming in service should stop coming out. I'm not against passing laws on certain ways they do business, I'm against a public option that they're trying DESPERATELY to put in.
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--- Quote ---What are you talking about, insurance companies don't work at a state level?
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I think you misunderstood me, Insurance companies are companies that do business at the national level. They're structured to do business in America's economy. Not at the state level. It's much easier to get something done like this at the national level than just having a free for all at the state level. It's also in my opinion, unrealistic.
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The question is are we both talking about a public option? I don't want a national public option but I'm ok with some small level of business mandates coming from the government at a federal level. Public insurance should be a state-level issue.
Klocknov:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 04:45:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 06, 2009, 04:02:43 PM ---My main question is where is the money coming from to foot this bill right now, this is a trillion dollar investment. We have already spent more in the first six months with Obama as president as we did in eight years of Bush, were did all the money come from to pay for this?
Though past that I want to see this bill go threw. I find that most my jobs end up being part time jobs that don't offer health insurance. I have bounced from PT job to PT job since 17 years old, and the only time I ever had health insurance was when I was going to school, and that was under my mum. So I find that it benefits more people then it won't. Yeah you will have those people that will drop their jobs and go for unemployment, but that only will last them so long. They do reviews to make sure your at least trying to find work, so you trying to use that as an excuse truly doesn't work. Though you have a valid point with the welfare puppies, though they mostly have health insurance anyways so that really doesn't factor much into this.
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Sure, the system is laid out to work that way (with the reviews), but just like everything else managed by the government, it never does. There are PLENTY of people who have never worked a day in their life but have collected welfare that whole time.
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Unemployment is different then welfare, the welfare system is a lot more fucked up with all those welfare puppies then is the unemployment system. I have had many family members go threw the unemployment system and I have watched some get dropped off of it. I also will admit I have welfare puppies as friends, some of them truly aren't abusing the system, but most are and even my friends that are on it agree with that, well minus one... The welfare system is an abused system that is broken due to abuse.
Now back on topic, the public health care system would help out the nations health also. I'm pretty sure having healthier people is going to promote a better growth in the nation, though that is just my opinion. Also this would fix the current systems many loopholes and ways to fuck the person on health insurance, though yes it will have its own, it will still clean up many that are present as of now.
vicious796:
So, despite the fact that we'll be creating new problems with involuntary taxes it's ok in the end because we'll be taking problems away from a system where people chose to pay?
relic2279:
I'm pretty sure the public option plan is budget neutral.
http://www.hanlonsrazor.org/2009/09/10/the-official-white-house-health-plan-public-option-budget-neutral/
Klocknov:
--- Quote from: relic2279 on October 06, 2009, 05:58:45 PM ---I'm pretty sure the public option plan is budget neutral.
http://www.hanlonsrazor.org/2009/09/10/the-official-white-house-health-plan-public-option-budget-neutral/
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If that is how they work it I would be even more for it then I already am. I still find the money issue a problem, though we will have top see how that goes about in the long run.
@vicious796: The major problems could be weeded out as we find them, as long as the system gets set in right. Any system in the beginning is going to have it's issues, as long as they fix the issues instead of ignore them and let them get worse it will be a great system. It's kind of like the welfare system, if they just say fuck it we don't care the system will go downhill and fail but if they stuck work into it we could see a great alternative to private insurance for those who can't afford it.
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