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Obama's Health Care Speech 9-9-9... Way to go Repubs... :\
vicious796:
A blogger who doesn't actually lay it out, just says it'll be paid for up front without an increase in defecit, and has what kind've credentials? Why should I believe he's not drinkin the kool-aid again? It'll get paid for in cuts... cuts in what? What are you cutting that is enough to finance this?
Ask these questions people, ask them. Otherwise you're just following and will just end up complaining about how you no longer have such and such so someone else can have something else. If it'll break even with the public option, why not cut down the defecit with the money you would've been spending on it?
Think.
kostya:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Proin Drakenzol on October 06, 2009, 11:25:56 AM ---I find it interesting that while not a single person arguing against a public option feels they might ever need it the converse is not true.
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Because, when you lose your job, your company usually pays for your insurance for awhile after it as a severance. Aside from that medicare and COBRA do what they need to for short periods of time. Seeing as I would NEVER go a long period of time without a job, a lack of health insurance to some degree is not a concern of mine.
I honestly don't see how people don't get jobs. I've never had a problem in any state I've ever lived in. Are they the BEST jobs? No. But money is money in a tight spot and responsible people do what they have to do to get things done.
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You have been lucky with jobs. Out of the last 5 years, my father has had the option of having insurance through his workplace for a total of 4 months. He got laid off from his job. He then spent a year on unemployment improving his skills and looking for another professional job. After giving up on that, he got the only job that he could, working as an orderly in a mental institution (which did not give him health insurance either). After several more months, he found a job but he was a contractor so again, no benefits. He spent 3 years working for the company with his manager constantly promising him that a permanent job offer was going to occur soon, once the group gets the product out. The product flopped, the group got disbanded, and all contracts terminated, so he was once again laid off. Finally, this August he found a permanent job with benefits.
One of my friends has to get insurance through her school because both her parents run a small business so to get insurance for the family would be prohibitively expensive. Her parents are uninsured since it is cheaper to just pay medical bills out of pocket.
nates1984:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 07, 2009, 01:50:13 PM ---Think.
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No! I refuse! I'd rather just believe unproven claims by some blogger who can't even put up an "about me" page most likely due to the fact he has no credentials!
furuoshiki:
--- Quote from: kostya on October 07, 2009, 09:18:35 PM ---You have been lucky with jobs. Out of the last 5 years, my father has had the option of having insurance through his workplace for a total of 4 months. He got laid off from his job. He then spent a year on unemployment improving his skills and looking for another professional job. After giving up on that, he got the only job that he could, working as an orderly in a mental institution (which did not give him health insurance either). After several more months, he found a job but he was a contractor so again, no benefits. He spent 3 years working for the company with his manager constantly promising him that a permanent job offer was going to occur soon, once the group gets the product out. The product flopped, the group got disbanded, and all contracts terminated, so he was once again laid off. Finally, this August he found a permanent job with benefits.
One of my friends has to get insurance through her school because both her parents run a small business so to get insurance for the family would be prohibitively expensive. Her parents are uninsured since it is cheaper to just pay medical bills out of pocket.
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This is the reality for I'd say...60% of Americans, especially in non-urban regions. The only reason I have health insurance is because my parents worked for the city government and I most likely will follow suit (at either the city or state level to begin with).
Urban health care is much more accessible and sometimes more affordable than rural in my opinion.
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---I honestly don't see how people don't get jobs.
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Haha, have you looked around you? Unemployment currently approaching 10% (Assumed 20% for those other 10% dropped from unemployment benefits).
This means something close to 1 in 5 Americans are out of work :)
Nikkoru:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on October 08, 2009, 12:54:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM ---I honestly don't see how people don't get jobs.
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Haha, have you looked around you? Unemployment currently approaching 10% (Assumed 20% for those other 10% dropped from unemployment benefits).
This means something close to 1 in 5 Americans are out of work :)
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Even in the most prosperous times there has always been an unemployed block, it's been part of capitalism since the beginning.
Especially in the last 20 years or so most of the job creation has been part-time work, and more prevalent has been practice of taking the full-time work and reclassifying it to remove benefits while essentially maintaining the same expectations of the full-time labourer - that in part is why the average wage has depressed continuously during this period.
On a more general note, I'm increasingly perplexed by the health care reform debate going on in the States - particularly why Americans haven't choked their elected representatives to death and left them to rot on the alter as a warning to everyone - what's the point of electing either party if they're just going be blatantly bribed into doing whatever? I know I should be disillusioned at this point, but still, the discourse is so tainted a reasonable argument for or against genuine health care reform is irrelevant.
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