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Obama Withdraws From Anti-Missile Shield Along Russian Border
relic2279:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 23, 2009, 01:38:30 PM ---
Completely wrong. Iran faces total annihilation if it chooses to attack Europe. With regards to China we still do not know just how powerful it's going to become in the future. It's still important to prepare for extreme contingencies.
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No, you're missing the point. Of course it would be annihilated, that's a given. As I said, China has "more" to lose. You know, having the second largest GDP PPP and third largest nominal GDP.
They're doing quite well. They wouldn't risk it. Iran on the other hand, they risk much, much less.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 23, 2009, 01:49:19 PM ---No, you're missing the point. Of course it would be annihilated, that's a given. As I said, China has "more" to lose. You know, having the second largest GDP PPP and third largest nominal GDP.
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That's irrelevant. Do you think if China had less GDP they'll be more willing to annihilate themselves?
Or maybe you attribute North Korea's belligerent behavior to its poor economy. :P Poor you.
another note:
We all know that Russia will dare not attack Europe, but we still don't abolish our strategic nuclear deterrence. It's because there's a possibility that the future can render our current knowledge outdated. We do not know what China will become in the future; either our staunchest ally or our most deadly adversary. China has a greater strategic importance to the West than Iran because it has more potential for becoming a defiant superpower.
relic2279:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 23, 2009, 01:56:06 PM ---That's irrelevant. Do you think if China had less GDP they'll be more willing to annihilate themselves?
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Your missing the point or refusing to acknowledge it. The better off a country is, in today's world, they less likely they are to risk a world war. Especially countries on the brink of becoming a super power.
Iran is nothing in comparison. Other countries don't rely on them for their very survival. Now don't get me wrong, I don't see Iran attack Europe either, but they have very little to lose in comparison with China. China also has nukes. A couple countries in Europe have nukes. Another reason why China is less of a threat to Europe.
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 23, 2009, 02:03:52 PM ---Your missing the point or refusing to acknowledge it. The better off a country is, in today's world, they less likely they are to risk a world war. Especially countries on the brink of becoming a super power.
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This is where you are wrong.
A country's tendency to think the 'I have nothing else to lose' way is not universal. On the other hand more affluent countries tend to risk friction with other countries more. What is shared between all countries is that they consider the survival of the nation as their top priority. At the very moment both Iran and China are as unlikely as the other to commit to a war with Europe because both faces annihilation if they did so. In the future I believe China will be in a better position than Iran to threaten Europe because it is on the brink of becoming a superpower. Both Iran and China has equal willingness and intention to threaten Europe. But it's only China who can ever hope to take any action about it.
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 23, 2009, 02:03:52 PM ---Iran is nothing in comparison. Other countries don't rely on them for their very survival.
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And how does this equate to Iran being less willing to keep preserving themselves?
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 23, 2009, 02:03:52 PM ---Now don't get me wrong, I don't see Iran attack Europe either, but they have very little to lose in comparison with China.
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They have everything to lose. They face annihilation. They stand to lose their very existence.
--- Quote from: relic2279 on September 23, 2009, 02:03:52 PM ---China also has nukes. A couple countries in Europe have nukes. Another reason why China is less of a threat to Europe.
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Yeah, tell me why.
relic2279:
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 23, 2009, 09:35:37 PM --- I believe China will be in a better position than Iran to threaten Europe because it is on the brink of becoming a superpower.
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You contradict yourself. By threatening Europe and risking annihilation, they would lose their super power status.
Hopefully this will be more clear for you,
China wants to get bigger and stronger. The only way they can do that is through their own brand of neo(new)-imperialism which is influence not by colonization or military, but through economics. That's why they aren't a military threat to Europe.
--- Quote ---They have everything to lose. They face annihilation. They stand to lose their very existence.
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So does China if it provokes a world war. But China has more to lose in terms of dollars, humans, military, investments.
--- Quote ---Yeah, tell me why.
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Mutually Assured Destruction. No country with nukes has ever attacked another country with nukes. Doesn't mean they won't, or can't. But it's pretty much a safe bet. So full circle back to my original point. China is less of a threat.
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