Author Topic: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni / When They Cry (Read 22060 times)

Havoc10K · « **Reply #140 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:21:00 AM »

Wow, you must be super smart person to know that much from watching over and over the episodes without bothering to watch second season to know more in the easier way. If you're so smart why do you bother watching entire seasons anyways ? wouldn't it be easier to watch first and last episode's ?

Yes, I call BS on you knowing everything from first season only.

undetz · « **Reply #141 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:26:11 AM »

Lose the argument, accuse other person of lying, distort and exaggerate their claims. And you were doing so well lately, Havoc, are you really going to backslide into your former behaviour?

Now, about your points, in order:

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Wow, you must be super smart person to know that much from watching over and over the episodes...

Yes, I am pretty smart, I know that myself. I'm also pretty good at noticing hints and foreshadowing in TV shows and at drawing the right conclusions from them.

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...without bothering to watch second season to know more in the easier way...

I bothered watching Higu-kai because I hoped it would replicate the good things from Higu-ni, I was disappointed when it turned out to be as bland as it is. "Knowing more" is not my motivation, being entertained is. Higu-ni works as excellently as it does because it shows a lot and explains nearly nothing. It leaves room for speculation and lets the viewer draw conclusions for themself. Higu-kai otoh explains everything it shows. In its own right it's an average show, but compared to Higu-ni it treats the viewer as a child and the inevitable comparison makes it especially grating, but I mentioned this before so I'll just link to the post again.

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...If you're so smart why do you bother watching entire seasons anyways ? wouldn't it be easier to watch first and last episode's ?

Burn, straw man! Burn!

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Yes, I call BS on you knowing everything from first season only.

If you can point out where I claimed to know "everything" you might have a reason call BS, but I never did. I did say that Higu-kai does not "[reveal] anything new or surprising". I stand by that. What's more, I challenge you to point out some genuinely new, surprising twist in Higu-kai. The emphasis is on 'surprising'. As I stated before, Miyo's backstory was new, but so clichéd and typical of Japanese popular culture that it fails the second, more important, criterion 'surprising'.

Put simply: Higu-kai never made me think "So that's how it was! I never saw that coming" or even "Damn, I was dead wrong about that, but it makes sense this way". That's why I say it fails as a season that supposedly provides answers to the questions that were intentionally left open in Higu-ni. Metaphorically put it regurgitates instead of providing a new meal.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #142 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:43:01 AM »

Quote from: undetz on September 19, 2011, 09:17:07 PM

You're not paying attention to what I write. Please read it more carefully in the future before you make even more of a fool of yourself by telling me things I wrote in the post just before your own.

As for her motivation: It was the most cliché Japanese thing imaginable and not deserving of being called a plot twist or in any way surprising.

~Desu
This alone can be interpreted as you knew exactly what was going on.

undetz · « **Reply #143 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:50:37 AM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:43:01 AM

Quote from: undetz on September 19, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
You're not paying attention to what I write. Please read it more carefully in the future before you make even more of a fool of yourself by telling me things I wrote in the post just before your own.

As for her motivation: It was the most cliché Japanese thing imaginable and not deserving of being called a plot twist or in any way surprising.
~Desu
This alone can be interpreted as you knew exactly what was going on.

Then I can only say that your interpretation of it is not the intended meaning. Just go with the literal meaning of it instead. Namely: Miyo's motivation which was revealed in Higu-kai is so clichéd and typical of Japanese popular culture that it does not deserve being called a plot twist or in any way surprising.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #144 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM »

Explain to me how was it a plot twist in the first place ?
Her motivation was hinted in the Season 1, and only simply explained in season 2.

If you actually did bother to read what was several times been posted in this topic, Season one is called Questions, while Season two is called Answers. While i pointed it out many times to you in other threads, if you let yourself be guided by clishe'd things there is really nothing for you to watch any more and you should stop watching anime altogether. If you care about tv tropes and cliche you should stop watching anything in TV actually, cuz everything has been overused several times and the only thing that changes is characters and setting.

I advise you to stop your goose chase now.

undetz · « **Reply #145 on:** September 20, 2011, 12:31:18 PM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

Explain to me how was it a plot twist in the first place ?

I said it was not a plot twist. The phrase "does not deserve to be called a plot twist [...] in any way" very strongly implies that I do not consider it one.

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

Her motivation was hinted in the Season 1, and only simply explained in season 2.

Allow me to remind you of your own words:

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in first season nothing, absolutely nothing hinted at what the nurse was aiming for.

So which is it?

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

If you actually did bother to read what was several times been posted in this topic, Season one is called Questions, while Season two is called Answers.

I know what they're called. I also mentioned regurgitation earlier, but since it appears you did not get it, allow me again:
Higu-kai compares highly unfavourably with Higu-ni because it completely fails to surprise the viewer (i.e. me in this case). It's bland and average. The new information it provides is not original or even particularly interestingly presented.

There, that's my criticism in a nutshell. Do you finally get it? Are you finally prepared to either counter it and prove me wrong, or to admit that perceptions may differ and that what you consider a work of genius can legitimately be criticised by someone with a different point of view?

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

While i pointed it out many times to you in other threads, if you let yourself be guided by clishe'd things there is really nothing for you to watch any more and you should stop watching anime altogether. If you care about tv tropes and cliche you should stop watching anything in TV actually, cuz everything has been overused several times and the only thing that changes is characters and setting.

I do not recall this, and to be frank I don't see why I should care about yet another straw man.

Quote from: Havoc10K on September 20, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

I advise you to stop your goose chase now.

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Havoc10K · « **Reply #146 on:** September 20, 2011, 12:49:09 PM »

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Motivation and goal or aim are not the same things, you need motivation to achieve your aim and goals.

Supai · « **Reply #147 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:57:59 PM »

~~OH MY GOD! SOMEONE CRITICISED THE ANIME THAT I LOVE! I MUST DEFEND IT WITH ZEAL!~~

Anyway, I loved both Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Higu-kai.

Quote from: undetz on September 19, 2011, 03:21:58 PM

The first season was good, lots of mindfuckery, bloody murder, the fingernails... oh god, the nails! That was the only time an anime made me feel nauseous.

Yet to find an anime that makes me feel nauseous.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #148 on:** September 20, 2011, 03:26:48 PM »

I think the nails scene was incredibly heavy indeed, but I didn't feel like it at all. My thought was how they managed to make the voice actress to make a very reasonably close reaction. And even thinking that even since that is just an animation, it kind of makes you think, DAMN that has to hurt more than hell itself.

I don't wish this on anyone.

Jbstormburst · « **Reply #149 on:** October 22, 2011, 12:29:21 AM »

Hey, guys. Sorry for the necro, but I'm about to finally get into this series, and I was hoping that I could get some encode recommendations. For this, and maybe Kai and Rei, too, please? Only thing I ask is that most of the Japanese is kept intact.

Bob2004 · « **Reply #150 on:** October 22, 2011, 12:45:45 AM »

Just get whatever's on BBT, that'll be the one generally considered to be the best release. The E-D release on here is pretty good, you'll have trouble finding much better. I haven't watched the Ayu release, but it doesn't seem to be as good, though I can't comment on the script.

Jbstormburst · « **Reply #151 on:** October 22, 2011, 01:51:04 AM »

Honestly, though, I heard that WinD Americanized most of the Japanese (i.e.: absence of honorifics, translation of Watanagashi, etc.), so I was curious to see opinion. Well, in Rei, that is.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #152 on:** October 22, 2011, 06:52:32 AM »

most of this series doesn't have honorifics, fansubbers are lazy enough to skip them, I'm happy when they include a proper name when it's said and not for example:
character says in the anime:"Furude-san"
the subs say:"Rika"

that's the most stupid subbers can get these days

Jbstormburst · « **Reply #153 on:** October 22, 2011, 01:22:50 PM »

Can't help but agree there... So, Havoc, I know I can trust your opinion here, seeing as I've seen you all over the place, so what are the best encodes for each part of the series, when taking into account the level of Americanization in the subs.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #154 on:** October 22, 2011, 01:27:02 PM »

You can trust what is on BBT, season 1 has dual audio, if you don't want it you could rip it out, although I remember setting up a season 1 without dual audio someplace on nyaa, I'm sure if you make a search there you should be able to find it.

I have WinD and E-D.

It's not really bad since you still hear honorifics so if you are into them as much as me you probably won't even notice but you should be able to add them in your mind automatically, like I do.

Jbstormburst · « **Reply #155 on:** October 22, 2011, 06:39:11 PM »

And what about Kira, since I know it's an original remux made before WinD completed it?

Havoc10K · « **Reply #156 on:** October 22, 2011, 06:51:02 PM »

Kira is in the works, only 2 episodes released.

But you probably mean the second season, just leech from BBT. Watch the special before watching S2.

After the second season watch the first 2 episodes of Rei, maybe 3 for the last touch, then you can finish off with the last 2 if you want to have some service fun.

Kira are pure fanservice, and quite echii, if you're not into that don't touch, but then again you miss out on Rena and Mion/Shion

Jbstormburst · « **Reply #157 on:** October 23, 2011, 12:11:07 AM »

Yeah, I meant Kai... Seriously, how did I get that wrong...

Nodame-chan · « **Reply #158 on:** June 04, 2012, 09:06:58 PM »

Started watching this last night. Still watched 4 eps.. hm.. interesting. not as creepy as "Another" but still breathtaking

Looking forward to what will happen next O.o

BronBron06 · « **Reply #159 on:** June 04, 2012, 09:58:49 PM »

Oh sure, that's because of the very cute character design which also helped my stomach go through 2 grueling mad season