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Offline Havoc10K

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #340 on: March 24, 2010, 01:30:17 PM »
apparently there will be a third season, dunno if it's true as l cba to look for it.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #341 on: March 24, 2010, 01:46:04 PM »
i read that somewhere as well...but it will be continuing the index story.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #342 on: March 24, 2010, 01:56:38 PM »
Gief BBT release soon.

I smell good ratio boost :D

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« Reply #343 on: March 24, 2010, 02:38:17 PM »
i read that somewhere as well...but it will be continuing the index story.
the way l see it they will continue in the Index indeed but l think there will be some closing on the edges of the both series and then they will drop in conclusion, l'm looking forward to the third season tough, especially if it has some more Kuroko and Saten-san fanservice, for some reason l think Kuroko is really sexy, and Saten-san is probably the most Lady-like together with Uiharu they make up a great friends couple, as for Misaka, well, shes Misaka the Railgun, and we can't forget the perky little teacher that has a really hard head to alcohol, a nun with a library of forbiden magics in her head that can't use magic or esper powers, shes quite the character as well, if we combine all that, it's sure to be a huge fanservice win, l don't mind as long as the plot and drama will be sufficiently good.

l give then the green light for it :]

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #344 on: March 24, 2010, 03:04:21 PM »
At least there's plenty of source material for a possible sequel. 6 novels were animated in Index TV series (according to Baka-Updates), and there are over 20 total.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #345 on: April 18, 2010, 09:40:36 PM »
I finally started rewatching the series with the intention to finish it this time - just got past where I left off the first time around, that is finished episode 14.
When I was rewatching the series I knew what to expect, so I probably liked it even more then first time around. But after watching episode 14 it hit me with a renewed strength:
HOLY SHIT IS THIS ANIME STUPID. JUST. RIDICULOUSLY. FUCKING. DUMB.
First, using Level Upper being in any way whatsoever "bad" or "cheating", especially for the people who didn't have abilities prior to using it. Say what? First we're told that for some no matter how hard you try your abilities won't grow past your limit(Saten and the glasses guy being examples). Then there shows up a solution to that, and instead of portraying it as bad because, you know, using untested shit that messes up your body/brain is kinda silly, they portray it as bad because it's cheating? It was never shown as omnipotent, so it's not like it removes the need to put in effort anyway, but is actually a miraculous thing for those that hit their limit(and a shortcut for the rest). If it didn't have negative effects, every single person in the city could use it thus rendering the "cheating" part inapplicable. But the only actual bad thing is never addressed, instead we have government using it to basically guilt trip a bunch of teenagers with self-worth problems into even deeper inadequacy. Now they're told that not only are they worse then higher-level folks, but also that the weakness it's their fault, because they didn't try hard enough, and should feel bad for trying a different way to overcome it. Adherence to the norm is everything, eh, Japan?
But wait! Despite what we've been told before, suddenly it turns out that you can overcome your limits if you try hard enough! Weren't they supposed to be, you know, actual, not self imposed limits? Well, seems like writers decided to ignore that.
And what's the best way to overcome your limits? Why pushing yourself too hard of course! How delightfully Japanese again. Because running until you can't anymore is going to make everyone realize their hidden potential, and not just puke their guts out, or have a stroke. Guess what? The chubby kid isn't going to suddenly be able to run much more then his more fit peers just because he has more willpower. I'd know, I was the chubby kid back in middle school. Most of the teenagers I knew wouldn't take those lessons as anything else that punishment, and turn away from authority figures even further. And some of pupils there already had issues with authorities/society in general that get conveniently ignored.
But it gets even better - so what's used by the teacher to show the pupils that overcoming limits is possible? Why, the memories of their abilities on Level upper of course! Because those were their abilities, not stolen from someone else, or anything like that... Oh wait.

I could keep going, this is a long enough rant already. I know that this post is completely useless(especially before I finished the series), but I had to get it off my chest. Just ignore my ramblings.
Disclaimer: I still think Railgun is a really, really good anime.



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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #346 on: April 19, 2010, 06:10:09 AM »
youre forgetting why there are just a few lvl 5 espers, and how they attained that level, misaka said it herself, she worked her ass off so hard she didn't even belive it, everyone is stumped at lvl 4 because it already is a great effort, lets say you need some eperience points to reach each level:

0>1 -5000xp
1>2 -20000xp
2>3 -80000xp
3>4 -200000xp
4>5 -1Mil xp

this is just an example of how hard it is to achieve, it's not just that you train to gain experience, generally you need much harder training to get the higher level, and not everyone can put up with that, some ppl don't reach lvl 1 because they don't have enough resolve to do that, and using the level upper is indeed cheating because you are getting a hard earned rewards for doing nothing.

it's like you get payed for work you are not doing at all, while other work hard to earn money.

thats why it's reffered to as cheating.

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« Reply #347 on: April 19, 2010, 06:32:16 AM »
The level 5's didn't work for it, they just paid someone in china to log into their account to gold farm and grind lvls for them, its those kids at those sweatshops who're the true level 5's, maybe some of them are even level 6's

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #348 on: April 19, 2010, 06:40:30 AM »
The level 5's didn't work for it, they just paid someone in china to log into their account to gold farm and grind lvls for them, its those kids at those sweatshops who're the true level 5's, maybe some of them are even level 6's
should have known someone will do that, well l don't like gold spammers so lets get back on topic,

reaching lvl 4 is kinda very hard it seems so getting a lvl 5 is like WTF hard.

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« Reply #349 on: April 19, 2010, 03:43:32 PM »
youre forgetting why there are just a few lvl 5 espers, and how they attained that level, misaka said it herself, she worked her ass off so hard she didn't even belive it, everyone is stumped at lvl 4 because it already is a great effort, lets say you need some eperience points to reach each level:

0>1 -5000xp
1>2 -20000xp
2>3 -80000xp
3>4 -200000xp
4>5 -1Mil xp

this is just an example of how hard it is to achieve, it's not just that you train to gain experience, generally you need much harder training to get the higher level, and not everyone can put up with that, some ppl don't reach lvl 1 because they don't have enough resolve to do that, and using the level upper is indeed cheating because you are getting a hard earned rewards for doing nothing.

it's like you get payed for work you are not doing at all, while other work hard to earn money.

thats why it's reffered to as cheating.
You're wrong. It's stated few times, no matter how hard you try a level zero can't gain abilities(or at least it's really REALLY fucking hard to the point that it's useless to even try), and no matter how hard you try you can't overcome the barrier that is talent.
If you were to use your xp analogy, it would mean some people need 1 000 000 to get to level 5, while others would need as much to just get past level 0, and it would be increasingly more difficult to get better.
The show suddenly presents ridiculously broken message that seems to suggest if everyone just tries their hardest they can reach the same results, and only reason the suck is because they don't try hard enough. Which is blatantly false not only in real life context, but also in the context of the Railgun's universe presented so far. Some people are disadvantaged from the start, and everybody isn't naturally equal.
You could compare using level upper for those who can't get past certain point no matter how hard they try to modern swimming. Some people are using full-body swimsuits to gain advantage trough better body shape, while some people(say, Phelps) are born with it.
And as I said, only message that should be presented(it's retarded to use something for your advantage that can be potentially dangerous) is completely ignored in the show.

Anyway, I doubt I'm going to convince you, and frankly, I don't really care - if you think that the only way that you can be at disavantage is because you don't try hard enough, then good for you. I'm certainly jealous of this optimistic outlook on life.
 
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Anyway, just finished episode 17, and it made me "what." again. So Tessou is working a job that she doesn't enjoy, that she's not suited to(don't mind getting kidnapped, when she fired a gun loaded with live ammunition with her eyes closed in 12 it became pretty obvious that she shouldn't be an Anti-Skill for her and others safety), that's physically too hard for her, and that she doesn't even have to do(unless teachers get salaries bad enough to be unable to support themselves) but it's okay because she can help people. Sort of. From time to time. When she's not endangering or inconveniencing them or herself in a myriad of ways.
Umm, ok.
Not to mention Academy City becoming more and more horrible place to live in with every passing episode. Ubiquitous surveillance(that doesn't seem to work at all against a myriad of street thugs who keep harassing people in every other episode, pretty realistic if you think about it), human experiments, corrupted government, using child labor, walled districts for the chosen people coexisting with slums that get raided by Anti-Skills as an effort to look like they're not completely incapable(Because that's what it was. They didn't raid Skill-Outs or Big Spider, they raided whole fucking district, rounding up people on the streets - and Misaka and Kuroko couldn't find any skill outs on the streets earlier anyway), a city wide curfew for teenagers... Damn.
I thought it was supposed to be located in Japan, not the UK.


 
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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #350 on: April 19, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »
I thought it was supposed to be located in Japan, not the UK.

Well, it is run by a Brit, and a particularly psychotic one at that.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #351 on: April 19, 2010, 05:36:41 PM »
Something just occurred to me...  The main character from Index, Tōma, is strikingly similar to the original main character in the Piers Anthony Xanth novels. Bink.
As far as powers are concerned, anyways. He's in a closed off country/land where everyone has a magical 'talent'. Everyone thinks he has no talent, so he gets sent out of the land. But he finds out he does have a talent. The nullification of others magic and talents...

Wow... It's been close to 17 years since I read those books.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #352 on: April 19, 2010, 05:56:23 PM »
Something just occurred to me...  The main character from Index, Tōma, is strikingly similar to the original main character in the Piers Anthony Xanth novels. Bink.
As far as powers are concerned, anyways. He's in a closed off country/land where everyone has a magical 'talent'. Everyone thinks he has no talent, so he gets sent out of the land. But he finds out he does have a talent. The nullification of others magic and talents...

Wow... It's been close to 17 years since I read those books.
Heh, got the first volume of that on my bookshelf. Pretty fun series, if memory serves me right.

EDIT: Aaaand finished the series.
Expect wall of text to come later(though I won't complain anymore), for now I'll just say that this is as close to perfect mainstream anime as you can get. I still wish that it wouldn't be so dumb, but most of that probably came from source material, and it didn't actually matter.
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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #353 on: April 20, 2010, 06:07:18 AM »
Expect wall of text to come later(though I won't complain anymore), for now I'll just say that this is as close to perfect mainstream anime as you can get. I still wish that it wouldn't be so dumb, but most of that probably came from source material, and it didn't actually matter.

The author has a serious problem with creating a plausible setting or any sort of continuity whatsoever.  Yet the characters are great and it's fun to watch.  If you don't take it seriously, and can appreciate the moments where it rips all over genre conventions, then it becomes brilliant.

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« Reply #354 on: April 20, 2010, 06:33:31 AM »
Lol @ erious.

Not getting into an argument over a mediocre series, but I just wanted to point out that the after-school sessions shown briefly showed improvements in their tests after only the first day of "trying harder."  So, it seems that efforts such as these aren't so naive or worthless as you say.

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #355 on: May 21, 2010, 10:45:27 AM »
Looks like there is a strong possibility that the 2nd season of Toaru Majutsu no Index will premiere this fall.

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http://www.animenation.net/blog/2010/05/20/index-2-this-fall/

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #356 on: May 21, 2010, 01:29:37 PM »
I liked Railgun. :D

I don't really know why, I just thought it was pretty awesome and funny. I don't look for too much in an anime ;)

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« Reply #357 on: May 21, 2010, 01:32:49 PM »
IF Index gets another season I just hope they won't make it too episodic like the first series...

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« Reply #358 on: May 21, 2010, 01:33:24 PM »
the best things in life of Railgun series was :
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never feels bored of this ;]

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Re: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
« Reply #359 on: May 21, 2010, 11:06:43 PM »
To be honest they shudve merged the two. I mean i dont know where the story is going.