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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2009, 04:02:52 AM »
I don't condone what the student did, but that teacher is a fucktard. Not to mention a pussy fucktard for dragging politics into this. (lawyers and other crap)
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2009, 06:51:03 PM »
The teacher deserved to DIE.

Your job is to be an educator, a role model and a mentor (in some cases).

Not to make fun of your students lives and circumstances.
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2009, 09:50:47 PM »
I don't think he needs to die but he does need a reevaluation. Oh well, he doesn't need it anymore because he's already changed.

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 10:33:18 PM »
I don't think he needs to die but he does need a reevaluation. Oh well, he doesn't need it anymore because he's already changed.

EYE FOR AN EYE, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.

The teacher would have been killed for sure if this was an American student and he was saying:
 
"HAHAHA YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IN IRAQ YOU DUMB ROTC PIECE OF SH**!"

This is why academic professionals are always the FIRST TO DIE in a coup de etat.

MOTHER FUCKERS CAN'T KEEP THEIR FLIPPER MOUTHS SHUT!

The only difference in the case of an American ROTC student would be that the mother fucker would die from mysterious sniper bullet fire. And no one would care because he threatened a U.S. soldier with the prospect of death which can easily be interpreted by conservatives as a potential domestic threat to national security.
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2009, 12:56:38 AM »
That's you, maybe.

I'm going to serve the military because it's compulsory, not because it makes me feel elite.

I'm the same age as him, I was also grown aboard, I have the same career interests as him, but I do not forget the allegiance that I owe my country as part of being born and nurtured there. If anything I'm proud of my stoicism; I'm definitely not going to mess up somebody's spine for pointing out something obvious and inevitable to me just because it means hardship.

Well you are lucky in that you are defending your homeland and doing so in a (relatively) safe manor. Many countries (such as my birthplace of Russia) are constantly at war with some armed group or revolutionary faction. At least it is getting youth to seek higher education (easiest surefire way to avoid being drafted).

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2009, 01:00:22 AM »
"Eye for an eye" means that he would have to have stabbed the student first. It's not "Death for an insult".
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2009, 07:27:57 AM »
^^Our conscription gives no pay (well, it's conscription) and no educational opportunities beyond what we learn in the boot camp, until we apply for a 3rd year in which case they give specialization training just like in any other country's armed forces.
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2009, 09:26:01 AM »
"Eye for an eye" means that he would have to have stabbed the student first. It's not "Death for an insult".

And since when did two wrongs make a right?

"I've been taunted so I'll stab someone" Gee, what a wonderful world half of you would want to live in : /

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2009, 09:28:25 AM »
And I'm being insinuated as an elitist for condemning such person!  :'(

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2009, 12:38:46 PM »
"Eye for an eye" means that he would have to have stabbed the student first. It's not "Death for an insult".

In other cultures, openly wishing death upon another person warrants a death wish in and of itself because it means you hold malicious intentions for that person.

In America we seem to wait until the person decides to summon the confidence to complete the action instead of nipping it in the bud and taking the threat out before it becomes hostile. Prime examples being Virginia Tech and Columbine.

It often starts as "I hope this person dies [of something] because he is dumb." Unless this was agitated by this person causing you problems then it will develop into "I will kill this person because he is dumb." Now if you say this to a grocery clerk who is a bastard it usually doesn't mean you will go back and kill him later. But if it has a idealogical component (such as hatred for armed forces in certain circles of academia) it can make the person you threatened a foci of your hatred because he represents something you hate very dearly on an aesthetic level. The phrase now becomes " I will kill or harm this person because he is dumb and represents that which I hate."
 
The man thought the student was dumb for being in the army. If the man hated the U.S. army or any other military and it's actions then hurting this student emotionally and physically would help him relieve his stress and he would feel as if he were lashing back at "the man". This is a clear motive in any court of law no matter how absurd you may interpret it. If you study criminal justice you will find that crimes originate in these types of aggressive statements that intend to emotionally harm individuals to try and vicariously fight an entity larger than you that you know you cannot go up against (such as the army or national guard of any given country).

Also it is crucial to know that an eye for an eye also meant if you look at my wife I can look at yours. If you look at my cattle with intent to steal and people see you publicly lusting for either wife or cattle in this matter it's the same as stealing. And everyone knows looks eventually turn into something else over time. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking that it stops there. Sometimes it's about context and looking beyond seemingly harmless actions.

Do you think individuals who cat call to women on the street will just stop there? No eventually they will muster the confidence and gall to rape a woman.

While the student remains legally and morally in the wrong, in sensitive times such as these making negative comments about the military of any state is stupidity at it's finest. Notice how he didn't say "I feel what the military is doing is wrong....etc. How do you feel as a prospective member of this institution?"  

He said: " HaHAHAHAH YOU ARE STUPID AND GOING TO DIE [FOR A STUPID INSTITUTION]."

Now don't hit me with this freedom of speech and free country bullshit because you know if you said this to an ROTC student in Wikitaw, KA your ass would be down on the ground in a headlock and no one would give a shit, in fact they would say "KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER!".

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Prosecutor Deb Bell said Mr Warren wanted to stress that he was not racist. If Chung was upset he could have sought counselling or sought help but he "didn't do any of those things".

HOW ARE YOU TELLING A STUDENT TO SEEK COUNSELING FOR EMOTIONAL DISTRESS THAT YOU CAUSED YOU STUPID STUPID MOTHER FUCKER! >:(

YOU ARE TELLING A 17 YEAR OLD HE IS GOING TO DIE, DON'T YOU THINK HE WILL GET VERY VERY ANGRY ??? ???

I remain steadfast in my opinion, Mr. Warren deserved to die. TEACHERS GET KILLED FOR LESS HERE.

In the words of Capone and Noreaga: "BITCHES NEED TO WATCH THEY MOUTH OR GET CAPPED."
« Last Edit: September 30, 2009, 01:03:51 PM by furuoshiki »
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2009, 02:00:30 PM »
You seem like an extremely violent person who is likely to kill someone. So you should be killed first, no?
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2009, 03:31:04 PM »
I don't recall the teacher ever laughing at the student while saying "If you doze off while the korean's attack, you'd be dead"

I think the teacher was trying to connect with the student (failing horribly) by taking what he knew about the student (that he wanted to join the military) and tried to motivate the student (again, failing horribly) by making connections.  (This probably doesn't make much sense, but I'm horrible at wording things)


Its like if my teacher told me "If you doze off while animating, you're going to get fired".  (not as extreme as being dead, but the similarities are there)

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2009, 03:53:32 PM »
Do you think individuals who cat call to women on the street will just stop there? No eventually they will muster the confidence and gall to rape a woman.

What a horrible opinion you have of the entire human race. Maybe you should just take a gun and kill us all, because obviously its only a matter of time before we deserve it for idle words anyway.

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2009, 04:30:42 PM »
I don't recall the teacher ever laughing at the student while saying "If you doze off while the korean's attack, you'd be dead"

I think the teacher was trying to connect with the student (failing horribly) by taking what he knew about the student (that he wanted to join the military) and tried to motivate the student (again, failing horribly) by making connections.  (This probably doesn't make much sense, but I'm horrible at wording things)


Its like if my teacher told me "If you doze off while animating, you're going to get fired".  (not as extreme as being dead, but the similarities are there)
i believe he HAD to join the military for 2 years as part of service to you country or something along those lines in south korea.

He was making a comment like that know that the kid had to join the  military not that he wanted to join it.

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2009, 08:23:41 PM »
I don't recall the teacher ever laughing at the student while saying "If you doze off while the korean's attack, you'd be dead"

I think the teacher was trying to connect with the student (failing horribly) by taking what he knew about the student (that he wanted to join the military) and tried to motivate the student (again, failing horribly) by making connections.  (This probably doesn't make much sense, but I'm horrible at wording things)

Dude if you call saying " HEY SONNY BOY YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" even remotely connecting with someone (or even an attempt at connecting with someone for that matter) you are sadly mistaken.  :'(

Its like if my teacher told me "If you doze off while animating, you're going to get fired".  (not as extreme as being dead, but the similarities are there)
i believe he HAD to join the military for 2 years as part of service to you country or something along those lines in south korea.

He was making a comment like that know that the kid had to join the  military not that he wanted to join it.

EXACTLY, HE WAS MOCKING THE STUDENT AND SAYING "YOU'RE FUCKED KID!"

You seem like an extremely violent person who is likely to kill someone. So you should be killed first, no?

I merely reflect the reality of the cold harsh world that we live in. Take those god-damned rose colored shades off, this ain't the 60's!

Do you think individuals who cat call to women on the street will just stop there? No eventually they will muster the confidence and gall to rape a woman.
What a horrible opinion you have of the entire human race. Maybe you should just take a gun and kill us all, because obviously its only a matter of time before we deserve it for idle words anyway.

Tell the woman who was raped by a street thug that was mad because she rejected his initially verbal advances (which EVOLVED into a physical advance): "Hard muscles and penises may break your vaginal wall but words will never hurt you."

Verbal abuse now counts as domestic violence. Do you know why? Because eventually it always grows into a physical expression, it's only a matter of TIME.

The teacher MUST be held accountable for his words as a person of status in society. A professor/an educator should be held accountable for ALL and EVERYTHING he has said while in the classroom or to students outside of the learning environment. So aside from the words he said being flagrant disregard for authority on his part and a lack of respect for another human being the student was fully justified in maybe not stabbing, but WHOOPING that mother fuckers ass.

Since when is goading a student into a rage part of your job description? And I can't believe that motherfucker said "WHY DIDN'T THE BOY JUST SEEK COUNSELING INSTEAD OF STABBING ME IN MY SPINE???"

Because that's not how they fucking do it in Asia, bitch. This doesn't apply to all Asians but many young Asian people are very intense and community oriented. They do not like being singled out and are very sensitive to verbal bullying because it means they are the nail that sticks out in an otherwise neat slab of wood. Highlighting an underlying insecurity such as mandatory conscription is sure to make anyone flustered, but South Koreans have particularly mixed feelings about this that can serve as a powder keg.

The fact that you are in academia and do not know this means you suck as a professor and should be forced to attend undergraduate classes again you dumb as a doorknob SOB.

Expel the student but also don't forget to Fire the fucker. That's all I'm saying.

He brought this shit on himself. Now the bitch will keep his mouth closed.

Teachers should never, ever make jokes that they have the slightest doubt about. This would obviously include mocking the fact that someone has to serve their country proudly. People die over words everyday, and people of a certain status in society such as academic professors should know damn better than to cross that line or push their luck in that department just because they have a PhD.
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2009, 09:41:50 PM »
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Prosecutor Deb Bell said Mr Warren wanted to stress that he was not racist.

This was the most interesting line of the article. It seems out of place. I didn't see any allegations he was a racist mentioned anywhere.

A crook will always stress they aren't a crook, after all.

The whole thing makes me go "What?" Odds are the teacher was an asshole. He should, at the very least, be investigated. This probably won't happen. The fucking college ends secular teaching on Friday nights and promotes religion out the ass. What the hell are they doing down there in Australia? One of the largest Adventist churches in Australia right on campus? "Over the Sabbath hours students are encouraged to attend a variety of religious programs." What? "The subjects Christian Studies I and II (or substitutes)[8] are required for all students. The first covers salvation and Christian belief and lifestyle, while the second has a more specifically Adventist focus." What? Then he stresses he isn't a racist? Fishy.

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2009, 09:47:06 PM »
I think the teacher was trying to connect with the student (failing horribly) by taking what he knew about the student (that he wanted to join the military)

He didn't want to join the military. He wanted to escape it.


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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2009, 10:21:27 PM »
Prosector Deb Bell sounds like a retarded jack ass for even speaking up for this lame duck. Mr. Warren may not be a racist but he is certainly a coward and a social nincompoop with no right to teach anyone, anywhere.
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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2009, 03:36:15 AM »

Dude if you call saying " HEY SONNY BOY YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" even remotely connecting with someone (or even an attempt at connecting with someone for that matter) you are sadly mistaken. 


You sir, are horrible at understanding anything...

First of all... we weren't in the class room at the time of the incident, so how do we know the tone or exact wording used? 

I quote from the first page,  "Avondale College teacher David Warren woke Chung as he dozed in his Japanese class on March 2, warning him "you'll be dead" if he slept while the North Korean army attacked."

Nowhere in there do I feel a taunting tone of voice...  Therefore you're "HEY SONNY BOY YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" is sadly mistaken. 
(I'm not saying the teacher handled the situation correctly, but the student's actions were not just)

Also, the US isn't such an anarchist country where if anyone says anything bad to anyone else, they're going to end up dead...

You say, "I merely reflect the reality of the cold harsh world that we live in."  When I really just want to have a justification for being an asshole.  I believe Ghandi said it best when he said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

You also don't understand the concept of "An eye for an eye", as according to you, me writing this has grounds for you to kill me... because I (probably) insulted you in some way.  (Another Ghandi quote, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind")


Anyways, I'm done talking to you... as I've come to learn there are some people who just aren't worth the time.


(Also, thank you to darkjedi and mgz for pointing out that he had to join the military.  I was thrown a little off by that since I didn't see it in the main article)

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Re: Student 'taunted' into teacher attack
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2009, 06:11:47 AM »
Tell the woman who was raped by a street thug that was mad because she rejected his initially verbal advances (which EVOLVED into a physical advance): "Hard muscles and penises may break your vaginal wall but words will never hurt you."

Thats one isolated case. ONE. If we had the insight to know that every man who wolf whistled and cat called and said lewd things to women on the road was then gonna go and rape them, the rate of crime would go down a lot because we'd know what was gonna happen beforehand. But thats not how the world works in the slightest. That guy who seems so nice in your office and never has a bad thing to say? He's just as likely to go out and rape a woman as any other man. Just because they cat call and things does not mean that they're gonna do anything on it.

Heck, in the UK its almost tradition for a builder to stare at women, cat call and the like (I do often wonder when the actual building work happens however!) If every man who did that had marked that woman as someone to rape later then I think psychologically a lot of women would be very messed up. But idle words do not make the person, its the actions that they then perform that do. And it takes a very fucking twisted individual to track a woman down afterwards because of that.

As for what was said about the teacher that was stabbed, as far as I can see he made one comment about the guy being killed if he slept like that while in the military. Guess what? The teacher is right, and I can imagine that if he'd done that during his time enlisted they'd have been a damned sight harder on the guy.

I'd hate to think that someone who could so easily bring a knife in to school and stab his teacher was being thought of as the good guy, but here we are, with morons saying that he was completely in the right. It's unbelievable. Stabbing someone is never the right fucking thing to do, and the kid needs mental help or at least anger management lessons, as it sounds like you do to.