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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2009, 04:25:52 PM »
6 hours in class, but 7.5 at school (7:00-14:30). While I spent less hours in class for my Uni courses, they probably took up more time in the day. Every day was another 100 words (foreign language class) to make flashcards for. 3 hours of class, 2 hours for homework, and 6 hours studying those damn flashcards. I swear my dreams stopped being in English for several weeks.

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2009, 04:36:31 PM »
6 hours in class, but 7.5 at school (7:00-14:30). While I spent less hours in class for my Uni courses, they probably took up more time in the day. Every day was another 100 words (foreign language class) to make flashcards for. 3 hours of class, 2 hours for homework, and 6 hours studying those damn flashcards. I swear my dreams stopped being in English for several weeks.

Lol I've had that happen a few times with my Japanese class when I had to study flash cards. I found it rather funny xD.

Sounds like you spend just as much in school as I did, but just I had 6 classes while you had 4.

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2009, 06:03:25 PM »
China runs at 1,742 hours in school with 1,374 instructional hours per a year of 221 days.
Korea runs 1,442 hours in school with 1,067 instructional hours per a year of 225 days.
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.
Canada runs 1,358 hours in school with 979 instructional hours per a year 188 days.
Englad runs 1,271 hours in school with 953 instructional hours per a year 190 days.

I find those are the ones that have the most merit off the charts. So by those stats, the US has one of the top three instructional hours, and the least amount of days in school. I think extending the school year would do a better job then extending the time in school. Well or extending the school year with leaving the same length school days. If you look at it, the countries with the longer school years are putting a better output then the US. I truly don't think lengthening the day is going to do much good, though maybe sticking a mandatory 30 minute lunch and having schools run classes at 55 minutes a day, with class changing breaks to fit the time needed.

Also another thing we really need to do is get parents more active in their kids education, most parents tend to be to busy with something else all the time in this society to even care. Though another option they kid do is add after school tutoring for classes available for students who need it, that could help right there if we had enough students to give time to do so. I know a lot of students that after school tutoring ended up helping them perform better, though they ended up having to depend on their parents to pay for it. So I think this would give the students the option, instead of forcing all the students to have to sit longer in school.

EDIT: Also another thing they could look at is removing the cap for between 14 and 21 days of absence meaning automatic fail of all classes. That system killed me a couple years due to catching the flu, and since I didn't go to a doctor but private medical I ended up failing since a doctor that isn't from a hospital can't hand you a note to excuse you of that cap. I had all my days but a couple excused, just didn't have doctor's notes or when I did they weren't good enough since I went to my friend's dad that was a doctor of his own private clinic. I would be a A and B student until I hit that point, I would still keep the grades, but they would turn straight to no credit on my cards. I don't see how it would be a problem if a kid missed that many days if he actually put effort into school. But instead they would rather run a daycare system instead since most kids at that point only show up to avoid problems with the law. I knew about 40 other people in my school that were at that point. (A couple had successful appeals to the school board, others got ignored and/or just thrown out. So the ones with successful appeals ended up still getting their grades and credits.)

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)
http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/is_more_time_in_school_better (This source says the US spend 905 instructional hours, but the source they got that from doesn't exist so I don't know how true that is.)
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2009, 06:18:44 PM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2009, 11:54:21 PM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.

What about home room? We see it from time to time, but how many of us have had it? I'm sure that adds a large amount as well.
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2009, 12:17:04 AM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.

What about home room? We see it from time to time, but how many of us have had it? I'm sure that adds a large amount as well.

For me homeroom was my 2nd period in my school lol.

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2009, 01:38:50 AM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.

What about home room? We see it from time to time, but how many of us have had it? I'm sure that adds a large amount as well.

For me homeroom was my 2nd period in my school lol.

Then there must be a shitload of problems because I never had home room yet my country ranks close to the USA in terms of hours and days.
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2009, 01:43:58 AM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.

What about home room? We see it from time to time, but how many of us have had it? I'm sure that adds a large amount as well.

For me homeroom was my 2nd period in my school lol.

Then there must be a shitload of problems because I never had home room yet my country ranks close to the USA in terms of hours and days.

About the first 20mins of my 2nd period is used up for homeroom. We only have homeroom when there are paperwork or they need to discuss with us about something. Ain't all that great lol.

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2009, 01:59:29 AM »
US runs 1,303 hours in school with 1,061 instructional hours per a year of 180 days.
Japan runs 1,593 hours in school with 1,057 instructional hours per a year 223 days.

Sources:
www.timeandlearning .org/resources/International%20Data.ppt (pulled my stats from this due to being a bit more recent.)
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiipid24.asp (Old but still goes along with the stats.)
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v3n10/toc.aspx#rb_v3n10_study (didn't grab these since they didn't use an average time.)
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/14/43633767.pdf (not totally on topic but a support argument type document.)

There you go nate1984.... Now I wonder if those hours also include cram school, or night school in japan which is completely private and probably not tallied or factored in those numbers which many Japanese attend.
Another benefit of keeping kids in school longer is not also learning, but keeping them out of trouble.

What about home room? We see it from time to time, but how many of us have had it? I'm sure that adds a large amount as well.

For me homeroom was my 2nd period in my school lol.

Then there must be a shitload of problems because I never had home room yet my country ranks close to the USA in terms of hours and days.

About the first 20mins of my 2nd period is used up for homeroom. We only have homeroom when there are paperwork or they need to discuss with us about something. Ain't all that great lol.

Maybe that's why the ranking is skewed. For us, homeroom was only 3-4 classes at the beginning of the semester for maybe 30 minutes to an hour to sort out issues. After that we never have it again. So basically, we don't have enough of it to be worth mentioning.
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2009, 02:01:45 AM »
My homeroom in Ohio was 45 mins a day, 1st period and basically a second study hall. Most of us finished up, or did our homework that was required the day before during that time.

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2009, 02:11:29 AM »
Thats total BS, If they extend school times. Like my county in Florida starts early and ends at 2pm so people can have PTJ's after school. other counties are doing it also, but like orange county (fl) they run till 4pm and kids don't get home till like 5!
im guessing we can forget about getting Wednesdays off an hour early if it goes through too (At least for Florida kids, nfi about the rest)

Edit: Seminole County school board also opted for  homeroom elimination this year.  that adds 20min to each lunch period (Greatly needed)
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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2009, 02:23:24 AM »
IMO, homeroom would be more useful either after lunch or at the end of the day before everyone leaves. That way, you can change it to being non-mandatory, but still have the kids around since most will have to wait for the school buses anyways.
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« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2009, 03:28:39 AM »
We have homeroom 1 hour a day lol that I use for sleeping

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2009, 04:30:58 AM »
A lot of people fail to realize that more time in class means less time available to study.  The actual learning doesn't happen in the classroom.
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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2009, 04:39:08 AM »
A lot of people fail to realize that more time in class means less time available to study.  The actual learning doesn't happen in the classroom.
For some it does. Sure, there's stuff like maths and physics, where you become more secure by doing things over and over. I'd say I learn most of the stuff during class, since I am horrible at reading anything on my own.

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2009, 04:40:43 AM »
IMO, there's no point in extending school hours.

Kids are going to learn based on if they want to learn or not.  They can be encouraged, but the more you try to force it, the more they won't want to learn.


Anyways... I thought about this topic, then remembered, "Hey... I'm done with high school and don't plan to have kids for a long while... Why should I care?"  XD  Longer school days means less time for the kiddies to be on my internets! :P

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2009, 04:41:11 AM »
Personally, I think it would be best if we gave students their books, gave them weekly reading assignments, and gave them a test over the material once a week.  Why do we need someone to physically stand in front of everybody and tell them what's going to be on the test?  It's a waste of time and money.

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2009, 04:54:33 AM »
Personally, I think it would be best if we gave students their books, gave them weekly reading assignments, and gave them a test over the material once a week.  Why do we need someone to physically stand in front of everybody and tell them what's going to be on the test?  It's a waste of time and money.

Personally, I think recess would be a great add back and also, a little more research into why kids suck at school is in order.
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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2009, 08:27:19 AM »
Did we consider re-incorporating corporal punishment?

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Re: Extending school time~
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2009, 08:47:06 AM »
Personally, I think it would be best if we gave students their books, gave them weekly reading assignments, and gave them a test over the material once a week.  Why do we need someone to physically stand in front of everybody and tell them what's going to be on the test?  It's a waste of time and money.
This was basically my degree. Self learning is OK in principle, but you feel completely disconnected and dissolusioned with what's going on. I'm far above average in terms of the students you could expect to get, but if your schooling experience is to read a book and be tested on it, my motivation would plummet as would my grades.

I think a lot of you guys are talking crap, I don't care what studies you look at, a teacher in charge of 15 students instead of 30 can do a far better job. Even if it's only because there are substantially more problems controlling a class of 30+ with just one adult. The fewer the numbers the more likely people are to speak up about what they don't understand, and yes, this will often lead to the more confident (teachers favourites) taking more teacher time... But to be honest, if you want to learn, I believe that should be encouraged instead of seeing that as an expense-of-other-students waste of teacher time. It's only natural that some kids will be more active information sponges than others. To treat an interested and intelligent kid in the same manner as a uninterested and lacking in social and intellectual intelligence isn't necessarily a good thing.

I can't say that I'd be happy with longer school hours at all, being a kid... Although in the UK we have a lost generation, birthed from 15 year old slags who have no idea where their children are at any given time, most likely scratching up some guys car and then kicking him to death with all of his other dickhead friends. So we are in a tough social situation, we have a generation of parents unable to look after their children. A rather callous but potentially great way to deal with this might go something along the lines of: "Does your family earn less than X" or "is your family on X benefits" then your children stay at school and provide cheap labour 8) to pay off their parents sponging. As unfortunately it is mostly true that antisocial fucktards come from poor dole scrounging families. And us nice middle class kids can can go home at a normal time and play frisbee in the park.

I think more time and school would exponentially decrease my good behaviour though.

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