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Extending school time~
relic2279:
--- Quote from: molbjerg on September 29, 2009, 08:47:06 AM ---I think a lot of you guys are talking crap, I don't care what studies you look at, a teacher in charge of 15 students instead of 30 can do a far better job.
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Here in the states, having smaller classrooms while nice, is still unrealistic. I can't find the numbers off hand, but figure out how many children there are, and divide it by 10. That is a helluva lot of teachers. Then you have to pay those teachers. Since while most schools do receive federal funding, teachers are usually paid by the local city school district. It would place huge burdens on already bankrupt urban school districts coffers, likely collapsing them all together. So how do we pay for them? Tax the crap out of everyone? It's just to unrealistic right now. If someone wants smaller class sizes, they have the option to pay for it via private schools. Which is exactly what you are paying for. Smaller class sizes and the teachers to go with them.
I'm with you on the keeping the hooligans in school though. :D
--- Quote from: darkjedi on September 29, 2009, 08:49:32 AM --- while countries like Korea, Singapore and Japan do.
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Japan outlawed corporal punishment in schools: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: molbjerg on September 29, 2009, 09:00:39 AM ---Does capital punishment prevent murder?
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Man, that's a very good way of making this discussion more complicated than it's supposed to be. Seriously.
--- Quote from: molbjerg on September 29, 2009, 09:00:39 AM ---Unreasonable punishment does not confront ill behaviour to the extent you believe it does.
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Corporal punishments are unreasonable from one perspective. Corporal punishment is also effective in that it incites an immediate response from the person being punished. The usual 'if I don't want to feel pain, I shouldn't do this' survival instinct is enough to reduce the frequency of disorderly acts. All you need to do to avoid physical pain is not doing something wrong. And we make the students know that. Simple.
molbjerg:
If it was such a good and obviously correct way to do things, do you think the whole civilised world would be dismissing your opinion?
Surely if it was that great, we wouldn't all have done it in the past, then re-evaluated our ways.
Corporal punishments are unreasonable from many perspectives. Not yours perhaps, but most.
darkjedi:
I'm an advocate of reward over punishment when it comes to indoctrinating children. I'm defending corporal punishment because there is a certain benefit to be had from it, not because I approve of it. (which means I'm doing objective > subjective) Something that is very sure in every empirical assessment of corporal punishment is that corporal punishment does reduce wrong-doing in school and promote adherence to school authorities, and I'm looking at the issue with that particular benefit in mind. I can propose and defend a 'reward system' also, but I choose not to.
Talapus:
You can't just look at the benefits without taking into consideration the negative effects that come with them.
If schools were to kill students that misbehave or have poor performance, I would expect that students would perform even better than when corporal punishment is used (and the average performance would certainly improve). That doesn't mean that anyone would try to support such a teaching methodology, even though it is just the logical extension of corporal punishment.
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