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Extending school time~
Klocknov:
darkjedi, saying if you eat more you won't get fuller then if you eat less. Higher pay means a more attractive measure for teachers of a more qualified status, which last I checked means a better education. Yeah you will get the greedy bastards in there, but how long do you think they will last? I wouldn't foresee them lasting more then a year at most. Schools would want to be paying the teacher to do what they have them their for, so if you raise the pay I'm pretty sure you would have a much better looking core of teachers. I can count how many good teacher I had on one hand, if I add mediocre then I hit two. Out of twenty-six teachers I had five good ones and three mediocre. Those numbers don't look too great even with adding in the mediocre, so you think better pay wouldn't increase those figures?
darkjedi:
--- Quote from: Klocknov on October 06, 2009, 09:54:39 PM ---so you think better pay wouldn't increase those figures?
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I cannot conclusively say it will.
I'm just more concerned about the 'what if it fails' scenario.
On the other hand no other ideas seem to give a clear benefit either.
That of course doesn't mean we have to rabidly pursue these ideas as if they are the completely right ones. ;)
Klocknov:
That is the thing, to find the right idea is a lot of work and many ideas being put threw.
nates1984:
--- Quote ---Answer - get ride of teacher unions and reward teachers based on merit and performance.
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Typically I defend unions (because I'm such a neocon, right relic?), like in the case of the car industry. However, I will agree with you on education. Teaching is not a mindless job like you might find in a typical factory or manufacturing setting. There are certain sectors of the economy I think would work better without unions, and education is definitely one of them.
You don't even need to get rid of the union, just tenure would be a good start. Tenure allows shit teachers to keep their jobs. Raising teacher pay to attract more qualified prospects would pretty much require an end to tenure.
More qualified teachers, I think, would help other problem areas of the education sector. Once you fill a large percentage of an industries workforce with intelligent and dedicated individuals they start having an effect outside their job descriptions.
If a highly intelligent person gives a suggestion about administrative concerns, it'll get more weight than an idiot person saying it. If teachers are intelligent they will receive more respect from the average parent, so that when the teacher says "You need to invest more time with your child at home with his schoolwork," then maybe it would be listened to a bit more seriously. Maybe, with intelligent teachers, students would also respect teachers more.
Paying teachers more could have a ripple effect. Even if it doesn't fix other problems it would help to create an environment when the necessary changes are more easily considered.
Klocknov:
@nates1984, I also think if the teachers that actually taught the kids on a daily basis were the ones talking to the parents instead of a teacher you see once a month you might have a better chance of the parents listening.
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