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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 10:13:27 AM »
So how about the war in Iraq, is that a war or is that an occupation of a sovereign state?

My point is that Obama may not have started the conflicts, but he has chosen to continue them,

What about it? Are you suggesting if we packed up and left today, leaving the country in chaos, instead of assisting with rebuilding they'd be better off? Still not following your logic. Also not following how this responsibility disqualifies him.

Don't get me wrong. I want us out of Iraq yesterday, I was just talking about it in another thread with viscous, but assuming Obama can just say "Hey, were done here. Let's go home." isn't just naive, it's ignorant.

Edit: Sorry vicious! it's been a long night...
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2009, 10:16:26 AM »
lmao viscous xD

Anyway, I think it will be difficult to engage in peaceful diplomacy without being involved in armed conflicts.

You'd need a war to make peace out of.
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2009, 10:19:34 AM »
Whoops! :D

It's 7:20am here, and I've been up since 9am... Long day, I'll tell ya.

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"Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.
More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments."

-Common misconceptions about the Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibu-kfROlVhexdt7vLCBR7KGa1gwD9B7CB282

It's basically a gold star.

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2009, 10:49:06 AM »
Whoops! :D

It's 7:20am here, and I've been up since 9am... Long day, I'll tell ya.

Edit:

"Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.
More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments."

-Common misconceptions about the Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibu-kfROlVhexdt7vLCBR7KGa1gwD9B7CB282

It's basically a gold star.



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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 12:09:18 PM »
So how about the war in Iraq, is that a war or is that an occupation of a sovereign state?

My point is that Obama may not have started the conflicts, but he has chosen to continue them,

What about it? Are you suggesting if we packed up and left today, leaving the country in chaos, instead of assisting with rebuilding they'd be better off? Still not following your logic. Also not following how this responsibility disqualifies him.

Don't get me wrong. I want us out of Iraq yesterday, I was just talking about it in another thread with viscous, but assuming Obama can just say "Hey, were done here. Let's go home." isn't just naive, it's ignorant.

Edit: Sorry vicious! it's been a long night...

I'm confused, I think you may have been thinking of someone else. I've never, ever, ever said we should pack up and leave from EITHER of those locations nor have I placed blame on him for either. I also haven't read replies of other threads since yesterday so I might just be behind.

On the subject matter: This shit makes me sick to my stomach. This is media-overexposure to the highest level, ever. I agree, he's done nothing of warrant yet. Other Presidents have done more than him to deserve an award such as this and never saw it. Obama has been and is continuing to be the media golden child and there seems to be no end in sight. Everything he does is rewarded and everything he doesn't get done is blamed solely on the Republican party, not the reasons they have behind it.

I'm sick of this shit. I'm totally sick of it. So far Obama's been as effective as Jimmy  Fucking Carter for Christ's sake! He's done nothing extraordinary yet the world acts as though he's tits.


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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2009, 01:15:37 PM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is really the 'Who is in a Position to Aid the Norwegian Government Most by Winning' Prize.  The winners have always been politically motivated.
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is really the 'Who is in a Position to Aid the Norwegian Government Most by Winning' Prize.  The winners have always been politically motivated.

Surely there is some of that, the reason its the Norwegian parliament who is responsible for the prize is that the Norwegian parliament at the time of Nobel had nothing to do with foreign policy. Norways foreign policy was decided by Sweden, now that is no longer the case. So the prize has become more of a political tool.

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2009, 02:13:53 PM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is really the 'Who is in a Position to Aid the Norwegian Government Most by Winning' Prize.  The winners have always been politically motivated.

So Muhammad Yunus from Bangladesh (2006) and Wangari Muta Maathai from fucking Kenya (2004) were in a position to aid the Norwegian government?

Anyway, Norway is to blame for this one. You should have read the Norwegian newspapers today. There is a hysteria going on here with dozens of articles including phrases like "bad joke", "embarrassment for Norway", "big mistake", etc...

Basically the opinion of common Norwegians is that he is not worthy candidate.

But then again look at it from another perspective: who are the other candidates? Random dissidents who were in some demonstrations and then spent half of their life in a prison, but still not really making any impact other then a publicity stunt. So yeah Obama can make impact in nine months.... hell in one day with a handshake more then a dissident for their entire life.
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2009, 02:21:07 PM »
So how about the war in Iraq, is that a war or is that an occupation of a sovereign state?

My point is that Obama may not have started the conflicts, but he has chosen to continue them,

What about it? Are you suggesting if we packed up and left today, leaving the country in chaos, instead of assisting with rebuilding they'd be better off? Still not following your logic. Also not following how this responsibility disqualifies him.

Don't get me wrong. I want us out of Iraq yesterday, I was just talking about it in another thread with viscous, but assuming Obama can just say "Hey, were done here. Let's go home." isn't just naive, it's ignorant.

Edit: Sorry vicious! it's been a long night...

Hey, no one knows pointless conflict better than america..

Giving the area some element of stability/ nation building/ aide and reducing the drug traffic flow would be an ENORMOUS benefit to the people inevitably. It's essentially become an entire country that's been spoon fed propaganda and illegitimate opportunity structures by the insurgency.

But we could be there 100 years and I still don't think it would be enough.
So I think what it comes down to is ceasing needless conflict, utilizing proper intelligence/espionage, and most of all getting ourselves off this fucked up war based economy we've had for GAWD knows how long.
Retraining the workforce, and educating the American social model.

But the american people are no war mongers, if anything just hate them because they've refused to budge emotionally and economically out of fear and listless/laziness since McCarthyism.
Plus all the nonsense they've been fed for SOOO many years by interest funded politicians , and the educational gap between the educated and working class.

I can tell you America is changing, granted slowly enough that we probably wont matter as much by the time we start to get things right. But its a start

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2009, 02:23:56 PM »
Congratulations, Mr President.

We have high hopes and you have our support. Please, don't screw it up!

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2009, 02:34:42 PM »



But, I'd say the Nobel Peace prize has long since been a joke. I mean, Al Gore won because he made a movie mostly about himself that includes innacurate statistics and projections that even the doomsday-iest scientists don't agree with. So whatever. enjoy your 1.5 million dollars. I hope everyone realizes that you're really just W in disguise.
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2009, 02:42:09 PM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is really the 'Who is in a Position to Aid the Norwegian Government Most by Winning' Prize.  The winners have always been politically motivated.

So Muhammad Yunus from Bangladesh (2006) and Wangari Muta Maathai from fucking Kenya (2004) were in a position to aid the Norwegian government?

Of course!  You don't think supporting those two helped Norway's diplomatic relations any?

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2009, 03:12:49 PM »
And why would Norway choose Kenya over some more important country?

I will agree that people are judged by a western agenda, so even baby killing terrorists will get it if they do it in the name of democracy, but it is wrong to assume that winners are picked from a country that Norway needs to have good relationship to..... like Kenya that nobody gives a shit about anyway.
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2009, 03:14:17 PM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is really the 'Who is in a Position to Aid the Norwegian Government Most by Winning' Prize.  The winners have always been politically motivated.

So Muhammad Yunus from Bangladesh (2006) and Wangari Muta Maathai from fucking Kenya (2004) were in a position to aid the Norwegian government?

Of course!  You don't think supporting those two helped Norway's diplomatic relations any?

No i dont. It would be interrestin g to hear about them sisnce i dont really know who or what they are.


Yea, and about the nobel committee. They should be fired. Id rather have a random lottery than this shit.

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2009, 03:31:53 PM »
Really I think the nobel committee is the biggest IRL troll in the universe. They did this just so we could all laugh at Rush Limbaugh. Especially the week after "OBAMA LOSES!!! THE WORLD REJECTS OBAMA!!!"
And why would Norway choose Kenya over some more important country?
well....Obama is from Kenya...


Ahhahahahaha, Truest article yet. Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize simply because he's not George Bush
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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2009, 06:12:54 PM »
I'm confused, I think you may have been thinking of someone else. I've never, ever, ever said we should pack up and leave from EITHER of those locations nor have I placed blame on him for either.

Oh sorry, I just meant I was talking about the Iraq/afghanistan war with you. Nothing specific more than that.





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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2009, 08:54:08 PM »
Sorry for the double post, I rarely do it, but this is separate from my above comment.

Do I think Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize? Probably not. And as some of you claimed, it's less prestigious than it used to be and we won't know who the competition is. But I'm sick of people claiming he has done nothing while in office. So here is a handy list of some of his accomplishments so far in these last 8 months:

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    * On January 29, 2009, President Obama signed his first bill into law, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which overruled the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and so eased the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits.
    * Five days later, he signed the reauthorization of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to cover an additional 4 million children currently uninsured.
    * In March 2009, Obama repealed a Bush-era policy that prevented federal tax dollars from being used to fund research on new lines of embryonic stem cells.
    * On May 26, 2009, Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor to replace retiring Associate Justice David Souter. Sotomayor was confirmed on August 6, 2009 by a vote of 68-31 becoming the first Hispanic to be a Supreme Court Justice.
    * On September 30, 2009, the Obama administration announced new regulations on power plants, factories and oil refineries in an attempt to limit greenhouse gas emissions and to curb global warming. According to EPA administrator Lisa Jackson, “We are not going to continue with business as usual. We have the tools and the technology to move forward today, and we are using them.”
    * In February and March, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton made separate overseas trips to announce a "new era" in U.S. foreign relations with Russia and Europe, using the terms "break" and "reset" to signal major changes from the policies of the preceding administration. Obama's granting of his first television interview as President to an Arabic cable network, Al Arabiya, was seen as an attempt to reach out to Arab leaders.
    * Helped negotiate hostage releases with Iran and sent Bill Clinton to NK to do the same.
    * On June 4, 2009, Obama delivered a speech at Cairo University in Egypt calling for "a new beginning" in relations between the Islamic world and the United States and promoting Middle East peace.
    * On September 24, 2009, Obama became the first sitting U.S. President to preside over a meeting of the United Nations Security Council.
    * On February 27, Obama declared that combat operations would end in Iraq within 18 months. His remarks were made to a group of Marines preparing for deployment to Afghanistan. Obama said, "Let me say this as plainly as I can: By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end."
    * Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family.
    * Engaging world leaders in Europe, Turkey, Latin American and the Caribbean with "strength and humility."
    * Diminishing the role of lobbyists in the White House
    * Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques."
    * Restoring the respect of the rest of the world for the United States
    * Changed the nature of the foreign policy of the world's only superpower from one of xenophobic belligerence to multilateral negotiation and compromise.
    * On September 18, 2009, he scrapped Bush's plan for a European missile defense shield, relieving some of the strain on US/Russian relations.
   
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Yeah he's done nothing. He's Jimmy Carter... Gimmie a break.   :P

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2009, 10:00:33 PM »
He's also done a lot of horrible things, like appoint a large number of RIAA lawyers to the Justice department, extend the patriot act twice, drastically increased our debt through a stimulus package which has kept next to none of it's promises, NOT actually shut down Guantanimo and have any real good come of it other than change locations, kept virtually none of his transparency promises, etc etc.... I could go on.

The ONLY real good he's done is be calm mannered and friendly, which can go miles, but he has really fallen short of the image he projected himself to be like before the election. I know a large number of people that were hugely behind him during the election that can't believe it's the same man they voted for and are hugely disappointed. Note, I'm not saying the opposition was any better, they were both failures in my book, but I'd just like people to recognize he's a lot closer to Bush than he'd ever admit.

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Re: President Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2009, 10:17:24 PM »
extend the patriot act twice

Only once, the last time he only extended a few provisions from the patriot act. Not the entire thing.


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drastically increased our debt through a stimulus package which has kept next to none of it's promises

The stimulus package was already going through congress months before he was even elected. Regardless, you see the package as a bad thing, I see it as a positive thing. To me, it's clearly better than not having one. Difference of opinion I suppose.



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I know a large number of people that were hugely behind him during the election that can't believe it's the same man they voted for and are hugely disappointed. Note, I'm not saying the opposition was any better, they were both failures in my book, but I'd just like people to recognize he's a lot closer to Bush than he'd ever admit.

Another difference of opinion I guess. His ratio of broken promises to fulfilled are pretty high according to politifact.org (47 kept, 7 broken) I voted for him and have been content with my choice.

Though, on another note, maybe he got the nobel peace prize for keeping Palin out of office.   :D

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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2009, 11:42:52 PM »
But he has Hillary in >_<