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A change in the future of American politics?

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sdedalus83:
Kostya, you're either an idiot or a troll.  AMT doesn't kick in until about $77k, no matter what kind of work you do or what your employment status is.

kyanwan:

--- Quote from: relic2279 on October 12, 2009, 07:57:18 PM ---I agree with the others, but disagree on the two above.

Defense is largely a waste of money. We're not paying for defense as much as we're paying to police the world. I'm not saying we should not have ANY defense, but we could cut our military spending by more than half and still be spending more than everyone else. Who are we defending against? No other countries pose a realistic threat to us. We only have to worry about terrorists for the most part.
And healthcare... well. Difference of opinion I suppose. I've been through the system while holding decent insurance. It's a scam. I'd take Canada's any day of the week over our system.

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Defense - is mainly securing our borders for all practical purposes.   Examples of what I see for defense:

- Nuclear Submarines:  Mainly Obsolete, mothball em.
- F22 Raptor:  Bad.  Find something cheaper.
- Expensive technology ( say, a $2000 sight for a gun, $200 flashlights, etc.... ):  Drop it
- Manpower:  GOOD
- Military people knowing how to do valuable skills:  GOOD ( such as go to college and SERVE in the military long enough to pay off all of your college bills - Not serve 2 years to get a masters degree.  That's bullshit.   I pay off my college for 10-20 years - you should SERVE 10-20 YEARS to get a free education on the taxpayer's back.  Half as an enlisted up-front, half as officer after-the-fact.)

I didn't say expensive defense spending was a good thing, but smart defense spending is.

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Healthcare needs to be regulated - such as the following:

- Monetary penalties for chronic abuse of the hospital system - such as a fine of 10-20% of the cost of the treatment you have received.  ( such as emergency room for the sniffles, constantly ).  Penalties should be like tax debt - you must pay it, you can't run, you can't hide.
- Limits on liability / lawsuits.
- Hard limits & regulation on insurance premiums.
- Public option once the cost is driven down at least 50% or more, that is, if we need it anymore.
- Public option for chronic condition / severely ill patients ( diabetes, cancer, etc )
- Strict limits on the salary of nonprofit corporate officers & directors.   ( Yeah.  Nonprofits my ass. )   Very strict penalties for abuse of system - including loss of nonprofit status.  

Certain things are out of the hands of the private sector - or need central coordination to accomplish.   That's what the government should handle.   Steer the ship on to the right course - and let go of the wheel once it's heading in the right direction.

vicious796:
Most kids between 18-28 get their ideas from outside sources and haven't learned to think on their own yet, believe me. Look at the surge in politics in pop culture recently, bands like Green Day (mainstream) were singing out and speaking out (sadly) about Bush. System of a Down, Rise Against, Paramore, all major bands with a big following of kids between 18-29, surprised? Musicians are becoming more politically driven and with them come the mindless.

American Universities are also NORTORIOUSLY liberal, to an extreme in some cases. Kids are confused, they want to be cool, next thing you know they're in Greenpeace hanging signs on Mount Rushmore. We've replaced alcohol with liberalism. Look at Sem (though honestly he made a couple great points in this thread alone, especially with cell phones).

The other thing to consider is that the youth in this nation doesn't vote. Like, at all. Conservatism comes with age in most situations. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but most "conservatives" are older. By the time they do get around to voting, they'll be conservative. The last 2 Democrats to win (Obama, Clinton) won in large part because they got the youth active in their campaign. Those who failed to do so lost (Gore, Kerry). Mr. Yee Haw had a chance to win against Bush if he hadn't... you know... Yee haw'd...

fohfoh:
Vicious, I went through the same debate for the Student Union at my university. People don't vote not because they don't care, but because they don't want to support ANYTHING that is practically an embarrassment to the type of work they do. My student union is full of fucking retards who know shit all about running an organization. The people there probably care more about how great it looks on their resume to be on the SU than actually running the damn thing. Proper marketing? None. We get business students who make up stupid ass posters that "get people's attention" but for the wrong fucking reason. I notice that your name, your picture and your want of being a Op-Fi candidate. But what the fuck does it have to do with Wall-E and what the fuck are you going to do when in the Op-Fi position? Or... Ok, you want to be the representative of the X school of Business. Could you not have at least taken a picture in front of the damn school instead of the fucking cafeteria? What the fuck kind of representative doesn't even put the place they're trying to represent in the picture but another location instead? And what the fuck does a representative do? It sure as hell seems to have nothing to do with the school you want to represent if you can't even put a fucking picture of the damn school on your poster.

It's an embarrassment. I refuse to support something that embarrassing. Yes, people say, "If it sucks so much, why don't you run?"

Three reasons.

1. When retards dig holes towards landmines, you don't give them more shovels.
2. When retards dig holes towards landmines, you get the fuck away from the land mine and from afar wait for a group to replace the retards who are about to die.
3. I do not have the patience to teach 10 out of 11 stuck up shit bags who care more about their resume than representing the student body how to properly make a campaign poster. Yes, the idea is to get people's attention, BUT FOR THE RIGHT REASON. I might also want to mention the university doesn't even take the SU seriously because they're so stupid. "WE DEMAND XYZ!" (Us from outside thinking... "Do you fucking idiots even know how much that costs and the management nightmare it's going to stir up?")

The only useful thing the SU is good for is a party. And even then... their parties are somewhat poorly planned, shitty and overpriced.

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